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welcome everyone to somewhere in the

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skies i am your host

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ryan sprague and i have a very special

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ufo roundtable for you today

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we have three of the members of uap

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media uk with us today that's andy

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mcgrillen

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dave partridge and dan zetterstrom and

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i'm not going to waste any more time

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we're going to bring these guys in

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because it's getting late over

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over in the uk and um i can't believe

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this is happening for the first time

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ever these are three

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first-time guests on the show so without

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further ado

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gentlemen welcome to somewhere in the

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skies

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hey thanks man it's been a long

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oh thank you thank you and i could say

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the same for all of you

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huge fans of everything you guys are

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doing and um

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i'm not really gonna waste any time um

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kind of

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you know i got what would be the word

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i'm a very forgiving interviewer

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if you guys haven't noticed on my show

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whereas andy is one

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who just trims the fat and goes straight

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for the

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the uh questions so we're gonna talk a

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little about that gentleman in the

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poster behind you there

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my man about your recent interview with

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luis elizondo but uh before they do that

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i wanted to give a toast to you guys for

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your new endeavor over there

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i've got um british breakfast tea um so

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i hope i'm doing it right

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i've got the right amount of milk and

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awesome everyone's good everyone's

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hydrated um well

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before we get to everything i want to

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um i loved for my audience to get to

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know you guys a little bit for some of

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them that may not be familiar with

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what you guys are doing in terms of the

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topic and issue over there in the uk um

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who are you guys and um what got you

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in ufos yeah tell us a little about

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we'll go andy if you don't mind starting

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yes um hi to all the listeners and like

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dan i'm i'm a listener a long time

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listener as well so

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i'm having to remember that i'm not

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listening to your show and i have to

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talk back to you when you speak to me so

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just in case at any point i i forget to

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um so yeah uh my name's andy mcgrillen

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my podcast last april late april with

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listening to podcasts yourself ryan

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hearing some so many cool guests but

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do you know what lockdown had kicked off

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meeting great people like yourself ryan

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podcast early as well and dave more

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and ryan went allowed to be on the

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um adam's not on the podcast because

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he's got other plans but we're repping

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but yeah i've met a lot of kill people

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that's oh yeah we'll get there dave

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what got you

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interested in ufos and and your huge

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endeavor that you're doing right now as

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have been opening up carl sagan's book

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bottom illustrated it was kind of like a

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learning with other people than to put

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be one of the first interviewees and i

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and you've you've supported the mag from

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like day one basically so

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you know i'm really appreciative of that

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you know like handy because of lockdown

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these interviews left over from last

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and with what i've got planned in the

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very exciting awesome man and i mean i

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enough the the work and the quality that

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palpable i i just can't believe that

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early on and i've been a fan ever since

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i'm another fan of dan as well so dan

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how did you get involved with the uap

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topic how did you meet these ruffians

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so my my interest goes back as long as i

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the uav issue now that's awesome

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of everyone's interest in this topic

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is that something any of you are willing

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where i live the last seven or eight

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dodgy accent i hope brian's subtitling

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this for everyone

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probably satellites and whatnot but now

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of a funny turn but it's always a light

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pop maybe ten and i was basically coming

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the uk i don't think you get that in the

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us but it would be like the scouts

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i think suburban area for any us

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listeners you know for the uk

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night winter night clear sky and

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mile in the distance half a half a mile

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i'm not military i don't know the

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distance but it wasn't too far

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it was about a five minute walk it

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looked like a ferris wheel on its side

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got that ufo for a reason on my uh on my

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it was spinning like super fast like

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ridiculously fast so it wasn't a ferris

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anything on that night

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um so this this thing was almost on the

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ground you couldn't see the bottom of it

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and it was just spinning and spinning

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and spinning

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now we i remember we looked along and i

283
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said to my mom and our friends

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look at that and they were like oh yeah

285
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that's actually interesting bear in mind

286
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this thing must have been

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50 feet potentially on a really busy

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built up area

289
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um at nine o'clock at night so there's

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plenty of people about

291
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we just crossed the road and went home

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um i lived in a high-rise tower block of

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of apartments or flats and if i'd gone

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out the back that night

295
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i would have been able to see down to

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the area where it was and i never did

297
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because i was too scared i was quite

298
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young

299
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um i always kind of regret not going out

300
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to look but

301
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it's so crazy because this thing was

302
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pretty big and it was really low on the

303
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ground and spinning and on its side and

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no one no one saw a reporter that i

305
00:10:09,750 --> 00:10:08,640
talked about it but this was like the

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mid-90s

307
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so there was no social media no internet

308
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as such um

309
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no mobile phones no pictures no nothing

310
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um even now my mum's heavily skeptical

311
00:10:22,150 --> 00:10:20,880
of the whole alien ufo subject uav but

312
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she remembers it but

313
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just totally dismisses it being anything

314
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out of the ordinary

315
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um so that was that was the first one

316
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and then the other one was i can a

317
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standard black triangle um

318
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a year gone in december i was driving

319
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home from work six o'clock i live in a

320
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relatively rural area now a lot of

321
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fields and i noticed

322
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on this kind of back road a van had

323
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pulled over and the guy was hanging out

324
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his window looking

325
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up and when we looked up in the sky you

326
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could see two lights that were just

327
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hovering

328
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and it looked like that either side of

329
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an aircraft but then i noticed as i kept

330
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driving this wasn't moving

331
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and i drove underneath it and i could

332
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make out the black triangle shape in the

333
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sky maybe 100 feet off the ground

334
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being interested in what i'm interested

335
00:11:08,310 --> 00:11:07,120
in i as quickly as i could pulled into

336
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someone's house

337
00:11:12,310 --> 00:11:10,320
tried to reverse out to go back and see

338
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this black triangle hovering in the sky

339
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because i could still make out the

340
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lights

341
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this this old couple came out the house

342
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because i just pulled onto the driveway

343
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to try and reverse off

344
00:11:22,389 --> 00:11:20,959
and they asked me you know can i help

345
00:11:24,310 --> 00:11:22,399
and i said i'm really sorry

346
00:11:26,069 --> 00:11:24,320
i'm just looking at that along there and

347
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i pointed and this thing was still just

348
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hovering above the trees

349
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and he looked and he went oh yeah it

350
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just shows you there's definitely other

351
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things out there isn't there and he just

352
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walked away

353
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it was so blasey uh so i turned out and

354
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as i went to drive along

355
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a third lighthead came on in the front

356
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and was blinking like rapidly

357
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and it just moved diagonally over the

358
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trees but by the time i got back along

359
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to the open field it wasn't there it was

360
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gone

361
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so that was my two pretty good ones you

362
00:11:55,110 --> 00:11:52,160
know that

363
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i love to like those reactions that

364
00:11:57,829 --> 00:11:56,959
people have to these things i mean some

365
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people

366
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like like the uh the gentleman oh yeah

367
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yeah yeah definitely that was probably

368
00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:05,200
aliens from zeta reticuli

369
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um whereas for you i'm sure it was an

370
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impactful thing that changed your life

371
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as i know it was for me i saw a black

372
00:12:14,389 --> 00:12:12,720
triangle as well

373
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um i i'd love to get your guys thoughts

374
00:12:19,670 --> 00:12:16,480
on the triangles a little later here

375
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um i've kind of come to a determination

376
00:12:24,389 --> 00:12:21,760
of what i think it was but um

377
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yeah dave dan have either of you had a

378
00:12:28,069 --> 00:12:25,200
personal

379
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brush with the ufo phenomenon that you'd

380
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be willing to share

381
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um citing no

382
00:12:41,750 --> 00:12:38,240
experience possibly but unconfirmed

383
00:12:43,910 --> 00:12:41,760
um don't know i kind of

384
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keep it a little bit more private but

385
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when i was growing up it was kind of

386
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um well when i was going up different

387
00:12:53,430 --> 00:12:50,320
story completely we lived in this old

388
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former mill needle mill which um

389
00:12:57,110 --> 00:12:55,279
in the middle of worcestershire which is

390
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a county in england

391
00:13:01,990 --> 00:13:00,000
and it's always had some kind of you

392
00:13:02,870 --> 00:13:02,000
know like paranormal activity associated

393
00:13:05,110 --> 00:13:02,880
with it

394
00:13:06,949 --> 00:13:05,120
so there'd be like the feeling of

395
00:13:09,430 --> 00:13:06,959
someone sitting on the end of your bed

396
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every now and again um floorboards would

397
00:13:12,470 --> 00:13:10,560
creak

398
00:13:14,629 --> 00:13:12,480
uh doors would slam in the middle of the

399
00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:14,639
night and you'd have no idea why this

400
00:13:19,430 --> 00:13:16,240
was going on

401
00:13:22,389 --> 00:13:19,440
um another members of my family as well

402
00:13:24,870 --> 00:13:22,399
they've had their own experiences where

403
00:13:28,470 --> 00:13:24,880
after my

404
00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:28,480
maternal grandfather died um my aunt

405
00:13:33,509 --> 00:13:31,519
was sitting in their lounge and she just

406
00:13:35,110 --> 00:13:33,519
looked across and she could see him

407
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:35,120
sitting on the next before in the

408
00:13:37,750 --> 00:13:36,880
armchair next one she had a conversation

409
00:13:39,829 --> 00:13:37,760
with

410
00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:39,839
what she thought was his spirit so

411
00:13:43,430 --> 00:13:41,120
whether that was him

412
00:13:44,710 --> 00:13:43,440
you know kind of telling her like a

413
00:13:45,829 --> 00:13:44,720
final goodbye

414
00:13:48,389 --> 00:13:45,839
or something like that she's never

415
00:13:51,829 --> 00:13:48,399
really known but it's that kind of thing

416
00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:51,839
where kind of like what robert bigelow's

417
00:13:55,189 --> 00:13:54,160
trying to do now is like is there an

418
00:13:58,230 --> 00:13:55,199
afterlife

419
00:14:01,750 --> 00:13:58,240
that we can get in contact with

420
00:14:03,269 --> 00:14:01,760
um and i think my probably my maternal

421
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:03,279
grandmother as well she may have got in

422
00:14:07,269 --> 00:14:04,800
touch with me

423
00:14:08,230 --> 00:14:07,279
when i was on him but i was looking for

424
00:14:09,990 --> 00:14:08,240
a full-time job

425
00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:10,000
and it was the last day of the

426
00:14:14,069 --> 00:14:11,760
application deadline

427
00:14:15,750 --> 00:14:14,079
and i've been debating about getting

428
00:14:16,790 --> 00:14:15,760
into full-time work for a while because

429
00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:16,800
freelance for a bit

430
00:14:20,470 --> 00:14:19,120
i just got whiff of a perfume like right

431
00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:20,480
towards the deadline of the

432
00:14:25,189 --> 00:14:23,360
application so i just took that as a

433
00:14:27,189 --> 00:14:25,199
science sent it in

434
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,199
got the job two days later after an

435
00:14:31,750 --> 00:14:28,959
interview um

436
00:14:33,430 --> 00:14:31,760
met two guys in the in the office and

437
00:14:34,629 --> 00:14:33,440
they started talking to me about ufos

438
00:14:37,670 --> 00:14:34,639
and everything else

439
00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:37,680
you know paranormal cryptos and it was

440
00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:38,639
from there

441
00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:41,040
that my interest in uaps and the

442
00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:42,160
unexplained

443
00:14:48,710 --> 00:14:46,160
got rekindled so it's like was that

444
00:14:49,350 --> 00:14:48,720
my grandma was saying go for this job

445
00:14:52,389 --> 00:14:49,360
because

446
00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:52,399
that is your new direction

447
00:14:56,230 --> 00:14:54,880
i don't know it's weird interesting that

448
00:14:58,870 --> 00:14:56,240
is weird

449
00:15:00,470 --> 00:14:58,880
i mean i i think i emailed you when

450
00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:00,480
you're in hawaii

451
00:15:04,150 --> 00:15:02,399
uh a big long rambling email about an

452
00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,160
experienced man in barcelona but i

453
00:15:09,509 --> 00:15:07,199
cannot confirm that but it

454
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:09,519
involves sleep paralysis and i haven't

455
00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:10,639
even told these guys yet

456
00:15:15,030 --> 00:15:13,680
so you know kind of until i

457
00:15:18,230 --> 00:15:15,040
kind of get more of a feeling of what

458
00:15:20,470 --> 00:15:18,240
that was i'm going to keep you on the uh

459
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:20,480
keep the memory banks for now of course

460
00:15:23,590 --> 00:15:21,839
man yeah i mean that's

461
00:15:26,230 --> 00:15:23,600
you know and that's the thing too like i

462
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:26,240
never i you can't force this thing on

463
00:15:28,550 --> 00:15:26,880
people

464
00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,560
you really can't if someone doesn't want

465
00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,240
to tell their story they don't want to

466
00:15:34,310 --> 00:15:32,240
tell their story and while i'm a huge

467
00:15:37,430 --> 00:15:34,320
advocate for as many people

468
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:37,440
coming forward as possible it's just not

469
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:40,160
something that people uh are willing to

470
00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:42,800
talk about a lot i i see that changing

471
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:44,560
and um you know you've got a personal

472
00:15:48,230 --> 00:15:46,480
journey of your own in trying to figure

473
00:15:50,949 --> 00:15:48,240
out what that is before you know

474
00:15:52,829 --> 00:15:50,959
really interpreting it to other people i

475
00:15:56,310 --> 00:15:52,839
would say so

476
00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,320
um interesting yeah yeah

477
00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,560
dan dan how about you brother any any

478
00:16:02,230 --> 00:16:00,240
personal experiences with the unknown

479
00:16:05,829 --> 00:16:02,240
you'd be willing to share

480
00:16:08,389 --> 00:16:05,839
a lot and i say this knowing that i

481
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:08,399
promised you a a voice recording for

482
00:16:14,230 --> 00:16:08,880
your

483
00:16:16,389 --> 00:16:14,240
and i still haven't gotten around to

484
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:16,399
giving that to you so i guess this is

485
00:16:22,710 --> 00:16:20,399
my that was the time yeah so

486
00:16:23,430 --> 00:16:22,720
i've had a lot of weirdness in my life

487
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,440
thinking back

488
00:16:26,790 --> 00:16:25,759
a long way and i don't know if a part of

489
00:16:28,230 --> 00:16:26,800
that was because

490
00:16:30,069 --> 00:16:28,240
i've always been aware of it because

491
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:30,079
i've always been very interested

492
00:16:36,550 --> 00:16:33,360
in in the subject um one

493
00:16:39,509 --> 00:16:36,560
one of the earliest experiences

494
00:16:42,069 --> 00:16:39,519
that i remember is having an imaginary

495
00:16:46,069 --> 00:16:42,079
friend as a kid which isn't

496
00:16:47,509 --> 00:16:46,079
too too crazy um but it was only after

497
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:47,519
kind of getting heavily into this

498
00:16:52,389 --> 00:16:50,160
subject that a

499
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,399
picture i you guys should be able to see

500
00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,040
this a picture like this

501
00:16:58,470 --> 00:16:57,519
that i drew of my imaginary friend when

502
00:17:00,230 --> 00:16:58,480
i was a kid

503
00:17:01,509 --> 00:17:00,240
remind me of um you know the

504
00:17:05,270 --> 00:17:01,519
hopkinsville

505
00:17:07,189 --> 00:17:05,280
uh goblin case um and so

506
00:17:08,630 --> 00:17:07,199
it kind of led me to question some of

507
00:17:09,510 --> 00:17:08,640
those early experiences and what i

508
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:09,520
thought about them

509
00:17:12,710 --> 00:17:11,919
i have a long history of sleep paralysis

510
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,720
um

511
00:17:16,949 --> 00:17:15,199
and i've experienced it enough to kind

512
00:17:20,230 --> 00:17:16,959
of

513
00:17:20,789 --> 00:17:20,240
you know start feeling out uh how i can

514
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:20,799
solve it

515
00:17:25,590 --> 00:17:23,919
when i'm in those states um

516
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:25,600
so you start getting some interest in

517
00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,110
and that always happens to me around

518
00:17:33,990 --> 00:17:33,200
march to april every single year without

519
00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:34,000
fail

520
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,280
and i don't know if it's something

521
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:36,960
that's psychosomatic and i bring it on

522
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:38,559
around those times of the year

523
00:17:42,870 --> 00:17:41,280
or whether something else is going on

524
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:42,880
but that's kind of a

525
00:17:47,190 --> 00:17:45,360
journey that i'm on kind of discovering

526
00:17:49,270 --> 00:17:47,200
um

527
00:17:51,110 --> 00:17:49,280
as well as that i'll give you one of my

528
00:17:54,710 --> 00:17:51,120
best ufo sightings

529
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:54,720
um so this was on a friday night

530
00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:57,520
uh my girlfriend was over um i liked

531
00:18:02,789 --> 00:17:59,440
this story because she was with me

532
00:18:05,110 --> 00:18:02,799
um and multiple people seeing the

533
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:05,120
the phenomena is is always a bit more

534
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:06,480
compelling i find

535
00:18:11,430 --> 00:18:09,679
um so she was in the kitchen dishing

536
00:18:14,310 --> 00:18:11,440
everything up and i stepped outside

537
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:14,320
to finish the cigarette um and it's

538
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:15,679
always nice to kind of look at the stars

539
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:16,720
on a cold night

540
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,960
um so there i am looking up and i look

541
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:20,480
over my house and i can see

542
00:18:23,909 --> 00:18:23,440
just in a line four orbs and they're not

543
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,919
going

544
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:25,200
moving through the sky in a straight

545
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:27,679
line they're going very very fast

546
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,760
and they're kind of going in a wavy

547
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:31,600
motion and i can't quite

548
00:18:37,270 --> 00:18:35,120
focus on them they were more kind of

549
00:18:38,950 --> 00:18:37,280
look like they were in a bubble and i

550
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:38,960
could kind of see the shimmer of a light

551
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:40,400
that was in the bubble it was

552
00:18:44,710 --> 00:18:43,840
very weird to explain but i basically

553
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:44,720
called out to

554
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:47,280
laura as soon as i saw them she came out

555
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:47,760
and

556
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:49,200
saw them just as they went over the

557
00:18:53,510 --> 00:18:50,799
horizon and

558
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:53,520
we were just ecstatic you you just

559
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:55,919
something like that forever changes you

560
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,960
you know it

561
00:19:01,270 --> 00:18:59,280
for all of the discussion we have about

562
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:01,280
this in public

563
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:04,640
when you see it you just know and that's

564
00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:05,440
that

565
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:08,080
you know it's good to bring other people

566
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,919
on board but it really does change your

567
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,799
life when

568
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,559
everything's seen through the lens of

569
00:19:15,909 --> 00:19:13,919
we're not alone

570
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,919
no you're you're completely right my man

571
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:18,240
i mean these events no matter what they

572
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,559
are

573
00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:20,559
they change people in so many different

574
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,960
ways and uh you guys know that's what

575
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:24,640
i'm all about is the people

576
00:19:28,230 --> 00:19:26,320
having those experiences so i really

577
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:28,240
have to thank all of you for sharing

578
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:28,799
those

579
00:19:32,230 --> 00:19:31,840
with me today um well let's get to i

580
00:19:35,350 --> 00:19:32,240
guess

581
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:35,360
fast forward to 2021 um

582
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,200
this new endeavor that you guys

583
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:39,039
announced just a few weeks ago

584
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:41,360
if i'm not mistaken but i know you know

585
00:19:46,789 --> 00:19:42,960
the history of getting there has

586
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:46,799
been a little longer so um how did uap

587
00:19:52,470 --> 00:19:50,240
media uk come about i know um

588
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,480
i know that adam was another big part of

589
00:19:56,150 --> 00:19:53,919
this as well so

590
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,160
if one of you or all of you want to jump

591
00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:58,000
in tell us a little about how this came

592
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:58,799
to be

593
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,679
what the uh the endeavor stands for and

594
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,200
yeah maybe just a little about

595
00:20:06,950 --> 00:20:04,640
what you guys are trying to do over

596
00:20:11,669 --> 00:20:06,960
there in the uk

597
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,590
andy should talk because he never he

598
00:20:19,350 --> 00:20:15,679
hears someone go ahead

599
00:20:21,669 --> 00:20:19,360
pick up all the time you want yeah

600
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,679
so if we'll get to episodes four five

601
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:23,600
and six in a minute but the prequel

602
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,280
uh was myself and dan but um

603
00:20:30,789 --> 00:20:28,799
having a conversation and i wouldn't

604
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:30,799
name names about uh

605
00:20:37,190 --> 00:20:34,400
a uk based um experiencer

606
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,200
who was going to be appearing on imagine

607
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:39,760
espn have like a radio show

608
00:20:44,789 --> 00:20:42,640
and they don't talk about ufos on espn

609
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,799
in america you know so in the uk there's

610
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:46,559
a big sports radio show

611
00:20:49,830 --> 00:20:48,640
and in the evening late night they have

612
00:20:51,669 --> 00:20:49,840
a different kind of guests on and

613
00:20:52,870 --> 00:20:51,679
they're all kind of weird and wacky

614
00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:52,880
and they basically announced they were

615
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:54,480
going to have this guy on to talk about

616
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:56,880
ufos and his experiences

617
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,039
and it wasn't the type of person and i'm

618
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,360
not discrediting what has happened or

619
00:21:05,110 --> 00:21:03,120
not happened in his life and if he is

620
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:05,120
experiencing what he says but

621
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,559
it's just not the type of person you

622
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,480
want representing the topic

623
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:09,760
given the discussion that they're going

624
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:13,280
to have um and myself and dan noted that

625
00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:14,640
that was really frustrating that that's

626
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,440
how the uk tends to pick up on the topic

627
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:19,200
and it's still kind of laughed at and

628
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,880
mocked and joked about and that's what

629
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,240
happened on this show it was

630
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,720
a show about soccer football and they

631
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:26,080
just wanted to kind of laugh at the guy

632
00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:27,120
which was a shame

633
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,960
um and there's a really good

634
00:21:32,630 --> 00:21:31,120
conversation to be had in the mainstream

635
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:32,640
and i think you've got to be you know

636
00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:34,080
ryan you'll know you're you're a

637
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:35,200
personality and

638
00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,960
it comes across and you can be

639
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:38,640
charismatic and entertaining but you can

640
00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:40,240
discuss the topic in a really

641
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:43,120
subjective and objective way and you

642
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,360
know if someone has a conversation with

643
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:47,440
you who has a fringe interest in the

644
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,159
topic

645
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:49,360
fringe might be the wrong word to give

646
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:50,880
them what we're talking about but that

647
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,400
they've got just a passing interest and

648
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,919
they they still want to laugh at it a

649
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,440
bit because they don't understand

650
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:57,919
and they want to mock you you can joke

651
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:58,559
along

652
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,080
but keep bringing them back to the

653
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:01,760
serious aspects of the topic

654
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,679
and bring them in you know the military

655
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,520
history the scientific history

656
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,960
what's going on now you know we don't

657
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,640
have to talk about little green men and

658
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:10,159
flying saucers but that's that's what

659
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,520
it's like in the uk

660
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,760
um so me and dan had spoken it was like

661
00:22:19,110 --> 00:22:15,600
it'd be great to be able to represent

662
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,120
you know within the uk and offer up

663
00:22:23,990 --> 00:22:22,320
a platform to you know to newspapers

664
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,000
radio broadcasts and listen we're not

665
00:22:26,950 --> 00:22:25,840
talking massive national level here but

666
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,960
literally it was you know

667
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:29,440
if someone wanted to talk about ufos

668
00:22:32,710 --> 00:22:30,799
they could come to a group

669
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:32,720
based in the uk and we could offer up

670
00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:34,799
opinion and relevant opinion

671
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,960
um and at the time they were obviously

672
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,400
really i get to i was getting to know

673
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,320
dave much better as well um already

674
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,000
spoke to adam

675
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,919
on twitter and he'd been doing what he's

676
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,200
been doing for a couple of years now you

677
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:46,880
know activism was essentially what it

678
00:22:49,590 --> 00:22:47,520
was

679
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:49,600
um and we all just kind of got in touch

680
00:22:53,110 --> 00:22:50,559
and dave

681
00:22:54,549 --> 00:22:53,120
and adam shared the same sorts of ideas

682
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:54,559
but you know what we would love to have

683
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:56,480
that same similar conversation and i

684
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:57,360
think given

685
00:23:01,270 --> 00:22:58,720
we all had different mediums and

686
00:23:02,789 --> 00:23:01,280
backgrounds it was um

687
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,799
quite natural and easy to kind of bring

688
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:04,880
that together i'll let the guys come in

689
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,000
on on that as well i've not

690
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,320
misremembered anything however

691
00:23:11,590 --> 00:23:10,480
no i think that's yeah probably is how

692
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:11,600
it all started

693
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:15,679
um i mean like how he said the uk press

694
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:18,320
kind of likes to make a joke the uap

695
00:23:21,750 --> 00:23:18,960
subjects

696
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:21,760
you know a couple of newspapers aside

697
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:22,559
because

698
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,760
i think it's the independent of the

699
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:26,000
guardian who actually do cover it from

700
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,679
time to time

701
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,240
but then you get other papers which will

702
00:23:34,070 --> 00:23:31,760
then include

703
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:34,080
they'll basically just rewrite someone's

704
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,120
blog

705
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,600
um some guy who calls himself a sort of

706
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,120
proclaimed ufo expert

707
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,400
i think we kind of all know that is

708
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,159
especially in the uk but you know he's

709
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:47,840
not part of

710
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:51,679
research community he's just some guy

711
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:54,400
who scours google earth or looks at the

712
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:56,080
mars rover's photos

713
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,279
draws little faces picks up on shadows

714
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,480
claims the roxy pressed sources or

715
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:04,240
you know there's giant aliens wandering

716
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:06,799
around antarctica on google earth

717
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:09,600
these are the kind of stories that get

718
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:10,080
three

719
00:24:15,909 --> 00:24:13,120
notoriety in the uk press but

720
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:15,919
alternatively you get the broadcast

721
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,120
media who will run

722
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:18,480
like the expanse of intune or the

723
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:20,480
twilight zone theme june

724
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:23,440
and that immediately kind of discredits

725
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:25,360
the information that they're going to

726
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:28,320
prevent next which i think that needs to

727
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:29,039
be stamped

728
00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,240
because how old is the expires now

729
00:24:37,029 --> 00:24:33,440
anyway like 30 years old was

730
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,039
showing my age there but i think

731
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,320
um it's kind of just this whole stigma

732
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,159
just never goes away in the uk

733
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:44,559
and even a couple of weeks ago the front

734
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,000
page of the star on sunday

735
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,960
had this big picture of a ufo in the

736
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,880
background above rendering forest he

737
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:53,600
said sas versus et

738
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:56,240
and inside the story was like the sas is

739
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,440
an elite unit of

740
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:59,600
20 soldiers ready to combat

741
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,919
extraterrestrials if they ever land

742
00:25:05,430 --> 00:25:04,400
yeah it's like well you're gonna need a

743
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:05,440
lot more than 20

744
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:09,120
per star um but this is just

745
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,640
why is that making front page news

746
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,640
it was just like two paragraphs inside

747
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,559
so it's all sensationalism

748
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,960
and they do it just for clicks and

749
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,000
readers and

750
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:21,679
they just try and dump down the subjects

751
00:25:25,510 --> 00:25:23,600
and that's what we want to

752
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,520
try and discourage we want the

753
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,440
conversation to be eligible into a level

754
00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,200
where we can have

755
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:32,320
a serious talk about it and you know

756
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:34,000
it's been talked about academic level i

757
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:35,039
mean you've both

758
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:37,039
both you and andy has spoken to um abby

759
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,200
loeb recently

760
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:41,520
um so this has been the subject's been

761
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:42,720
discussed at

762
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,480
you know that kind of level and there's

763
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,320
no reason why

764
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,919
the british press can't get involved as

765
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:49,360
well it might be they just

766
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,640
don't know who to turn to or

767
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,919
they don't want to put in the research

768
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,840
or they don't want to be looked at as

769
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:58,159
the ufo guy

770
00:26:02,070 --> 00:26:00,799
right and i think too i think too dave

771
00:26:04,789 --> 00:26:02,080
you're right um

772
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:04,799
you know it gets overshadowed because

773
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,520
the

774
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:09,039
united states is just such a you know

775
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:11,360
god has a monopoly on this topic it

776
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:13,360
seems when it comes to

777
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,120
media press and um look it's still

778
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:20,000
stigmatized and ridiculed here as well

779
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:20,640
um

780
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:23,279
but but you're right i mean we have the

781
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:24,320
new york times

782
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:27,360
and and the new york post and washington

783
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:28,640
post what have you

784
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,320
um trying trying to catch up i think

785
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:34,640
and take this topic seriously and you've

786
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,720
had amazing individuals

787
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,640
who've helped make that happen people

788
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:41,279
like christopher mellon or luis elizondo

789
00:26:46,070 --> 00:26:42,159
or

790
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,080
show that you can

791
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:48,400
you can take this topic seriously in

792
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,919
journalism and

793
00:26:53,909 --> 00:26:52,640
not have to use the little green man or

794
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:53,919
flying saucer

795
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:56,559
uh you know kind of memes that we're all

796
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,200
used to

797
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,520
so um no it's good to know that you guys

798
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:00,640
have created a place

799
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:04,000
where the press can go and be like okay

800
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,919
here's this here's this let's put

801
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,440
something together so

802
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,520
i mean it moving past just um

803
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:13,679
you know highlighting articles over at

804
00:27:16,789 --> 00:27:15,279
uap media uk

805
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,799
are there any other endeavors that you

806
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,559
guys are trying to undertake i know here

807
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,520
in the us

808
00:27:22,950 --> 00:27:21,279
we're trying to get this big thing going

809
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,960
with um talking to

810
00:27:26,549 --> 00:27:25,440
our uh our congress people and our

811
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:26,559
senators

812
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,960
and whatnot and um rumor is that you

813
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:30,399
guys are kind of trying to get something

814
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,600
similar going on

815
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:33,120
over there as well does anyone want to

816
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,279
talk on that front

817
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:38,880
um yeah absolutely um ideally it would

818
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,640
be great to join forces with a big phone

819
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:42,480
home and do it at the same time

820
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:44,320
um the uk is part of the five eyes

821
00:27:47,830 --> 00:27:45,840
intelligence network you know

822
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:47,840
there are political associations there's

823
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:50,399
what um our prime minister refers to as

824
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:51,919
a special relationship

825
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,720
uh with america so i i think there's a

826
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:56,240
there's a lot of potential there

827
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,440
well i think the most important thing is

828
00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:02,000
uh coming together you know i i feel

829
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:03,760
like all these endeavors

830
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,039
begin and then they start to splinter

831
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:09,919
off into different camps or different uh

832
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:12,240
tribes as we call it here in america of

833
00:28:14,470 --> 00:28:12,880
um

834
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,480
you know you've got the ufo twitter

835
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,039
crowd who is very into one thing

836
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:19,200
but not willing to look at another um

837
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:21,840
whereas i've spoken to all three of you

838
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,120
um at length off there uh and

839
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:27,440
and realized wow okay we have more in

840
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:28,240
common

841
00:28:31,430 --> 00:28:30,640
than we don't which i think is important

842
00:28:33,029 --> 00:28:31,440
too and

843
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,039
when you look at something like ufo

844
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,360
twitter which all of us are members of

845
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,399
um you find a community

846
00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:40,080
that's so passionate that they're

847
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:41,520
willing to have those

848
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:44,320
debates and arguments and when you have

849
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,200
people you know

850
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:48,000
condescending something like a ufo

851
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:49,520
twitter saying oh it's just a bunch of

852
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,480
trolls

853
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:53,279
you know just shouting to the shot in an

854
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,640
echo chamber um

855
00:28:58,389 --> 00:28:56,399
that's simply not the case there's

856
00:29:01,430 --> 00:28:58,399
incredible conversations

857
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,440
going on over there so um i

858
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:04,559
i guess kind of playing off of that um

859
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:07,919
let's talk about andy this interview you

860
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,720
just did with

861
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,520
mr luis elizondo now i've gone on the

862
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:13,120
record and saying this is probably my

863
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,399
favorite interview

864
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:16,960
that has been done with luis elizondo to

865
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,600
date

866
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,399
um you were able to i think pull a

867
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,480
humanistic side out of this guy who's

868
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:23,600
not willing

869
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:26,000
to share a lot about his personal life

870
00:29:30,149 --> 00:29:26,799
um

871
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:30,159
which is just amazing i remember like

872
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,120
i i was i started listening to it when i

873
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:35,120
went outside and i said i'm just gonna

874
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,880
walk around my block listen to a little

875
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:39,120
bit and dude i ended up walking like

876
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:41,200
four miles away from my apartment

877
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,559
just so i could hear the whole thing

878
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:44,640
without stopping so um

879
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,039
tell us a little about the interview and

880
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,880
then there's a couple specific things i

881
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,399
want to ask you about how it went

882
00:29:54,149 --> 00:29:52,399
and get all of your thoughts but um yeah

883
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,159
what is your general thought on how that

884
00:29:57,750 --> 00:29:55,919
interview went

885
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:57,760
um it's funny how you were listening

886
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:59,520
back to my interview when you were

887
00:30:02,549 --> 00:30:00,080
walking

888
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:02,559
when i got the phone call to say that i

889
00:30:04,549 --> 00:30:03,360
was going to

890
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:04,559
be getting the interview and when it was

891
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,840
going to be i was listening to your

892
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,679
interview out walking

893
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:09,279
and i'm not even joking that's not me

894
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:10,720
blowing smoke up ryan's you know

895
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:11,520
whatever

896
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,720
um so yeah um

897
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,240
i'm going to give dana shout out here

898
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:18,880
because even like with the questions

899
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:21,760
i had written a raft of questions after

900
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:23,440
listening to john greenwald's black

901
00:30:26,630 --> 00:30:24,399
vault interview

902
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,640
i really liked um there were some things

903
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,240
that he never talked about that i was oh

904
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,279
that'll be good

905
00:30:32,389 --> 00:30:31,039
and then i listened to yours again i

906
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,399
thought it was a great follow-up to

907
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:34,399
john's you didn't cover the same ground

908
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,600
that john had either

909
00:30:39,510 --> 00:30:37,520
so i felt and how i introduced my

910
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:39,520
interview and i meant this was that

911
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:41,679
i really saw it as a part three to those

912
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,039
other two interviews

913
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:45,520
um and i immediately got into it and

914
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,880
just followed on some some kind of

915
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,480
different question paths and

916
00:30:52,230 --> 00:30:50,399
just about 45 minutes half an hour

917
00:30:54,549 --> 00:30:52,240
before i actually spoke to lou

918
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:54,559
myself and dan were actually still

919
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:55,440
sitting

920
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:56,880
pouring over the wording of the

921
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:58,559
questions and dan would say what about

922
00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,440
asking this

923
00:31:03,029 --> 00:31:01,519
and all but not use that word what about

924
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,039
this and then dan would come back with

925
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:05,279
okay that's good but add in this so we

926
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:07,120
were still messing about with just the

927
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,240
wording to make sure

928
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,039
everything we asked got the most out of

929
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:13,120
it but also allowed lou to

930
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,039
to share without he doesn't like to give

931
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,880
his opinion because he doesn't feel it's

932
00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,039
entirely relevant which is incredible

933
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,159
um but we wanted to make sure he didn't

934
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:24,159
give too many i can't discuss that's

935
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,919
um and it was really for for the

936
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,519
audience as much as we were asking

937
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:29,679
the questions it's people seek out lou

938
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:31,279
lou and his answers um

939
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,440
the interview i loved it it was great it

940
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:35,440
flew by ryan you'll know

941
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,640
60 minutes is not a long time um so

942
00:31:41,830 --> 00:31:40,880
as i was doing it i was i had dan on

943
00:31:44,070 --> 00:31:41,840
assistant as well

944
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:44,080
in the background with it and we're

945
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:46,320
mentally editing the show live as i was

946
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:47,279
doing it and

947
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:48,880
taking out questions i was going to ask

948
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:50,880
because i had a whole list and

949
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,720
you know it's things change as lou

950
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:54,159
brings them up and just trying to link

951
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:55,600
all that stuff together and

952
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,880
the feedback yeah has been incredible um

953
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:01,440
it's a bit of a dream and like i tweeted

954
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,399
it's that cheesy

955
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,640
you don't meet your heroes but genuinely

956
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:06,240
lose someone i've got a lot of respect

957
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,320
for especially on this subject and

958
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:10,399
he did not disappoint and he was a gent

959
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,440
before during

960
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,519
and after the interview as well so

961
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,880
hopefully that's answered part of your

962
00:32:18,070 --> 00:32:15,760
question

963
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:18,080
absolutely well and i mean i will just

964
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,120
piggyback and say

965
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,240
he is he's just a gentleman and uh

966
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,559
and the fact that he's being so open and

967
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,480
willing right now to speak to

968
00:32:30,389 --> 00:32:28,799
everyone in the ufo community where i

969
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,399
feel i don't know if you guys feel the

970
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,720
same um if you want to chime in here but

971
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:35,360
when to the stars first came around and

972
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,000
um

973
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,600
you know there was kind of a tight lid

974
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:39,360
on these guys when it came to doing

975
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,159
press

976
00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:43,360
and i kind of felt like um especially

977
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,480
tom delong

978
00:32:48,230 --> 00:32:46,960
that we weren't going to be a part of

979
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,240
the conversation

980
00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:51,519
that uh we weren't going to be like

981
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:54,240
even involved with any of this and i i

982
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:54,880
will say

983
00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,720
you know i was hesitant at first to

984
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:57,919
really be

985
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,760
all in when it came to the stars which i

986
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:00,960
don't think anyone should be all

987
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:02,960
in on any of this stuff um you should

988
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,240
always you know

989
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,200
stay keep a little distance but um it

990
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,120
felt like we were kind of being ignored

991
00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,679
um ufo researchers who'd been doing this

992
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:13,200
way longer than i have

993
00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,039
um and really got this topic out there

994
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,399
and then kind of like we went we fell on

995
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:21,519
deaf ears

996
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:24,399
but now i feel that someone like lou who

997
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:25,360
has

998
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:27,279
uh transparently left to the stars

999
00:33:30,389 --> 00:33:28,720
academy is

1000
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,399
embracing the community like never

1001
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,320
before so i feel like finally

1002
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:33,840
we can have these conversations with

1003
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:35,919
this dude who i feel

1004
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:39,120
kind of was on a leash at one point

1005
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:41,120
so um what do you guys think this huge

1006
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,360
media blitz he seems to be doing now

1007
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,279
is incredible why do you think that is

1008
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:47,600
that he's doing that

1009
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,519
i think he's as you said he's free of

1010
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:51,600
the change of tsa now

1011
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,559
yeah um i mean right from the get-go in

1012
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,399
that press conference that was held in

1013
00:34:01,830 --> 00:33:58,399
front of nobody except a few cameras

1014
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,840
back in october 2017 they said that

1015
00:34:05,990 --> 00:34:04,080
they want to reach the people who aren't

1016
00:34:07,430 --> 00:34:06,000
interested in ufos they want to start

1017
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:07,440
the conversation with those kind of

1018
00:34:09,829 --> 00:34:08,320
people

1019
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,839
so i think from the get-go they were

1020
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:11,440
saying look

1021
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,320
we know about the uap research community

1022
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:17,119
you just go with doing what you're doing

1023
00:34:20,310 --> 00:34:18,399
we're going to take this to a different

1024
00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:20,320
audience and

1025
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:23,440
to be honest at that point

1026
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:27,919
the ufo community was a complete mess

1027
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,879
i mean there were some pretty fanciful

1028
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:32,399
fanciful

1029
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:35,520
claims knocking about the wrong kind of

1030
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:37,839
people were getting the exposure

1031
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,679
and i think that's why they just took

1032
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,119
one dog and said

1033
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:45,280
nah we'll we'll go somewhere else

1034
00:34:48,550 --> 00:34:47,359
i think it was very it was very telling

1035
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:48,560
ryan and

1036
00:34:51,990 --> 00:34:50,399
dave and dan we spoke about this that

1037
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:52,000
the way john greenwald's interview

1038
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,599
opened up he went to ask his first

1039
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:54,480
question

1040
00:34:58,550 --> 00:34:56,800
and lou interrupted to make a point of

1041
00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:58,560
apologizing for the interview not having

1042
00:35:01,349 --> 00:34:59,920
happened previously

1043
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,359
and he actually made a point again of

1044
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,359
saying on more than one occasion

1045
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:06,880
that for me was as passive aggressive as

1046
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,480
lou would probably get

1047
00:35:11,670 --> 00:35:10,400
yeah as you see him in his interviews

1048
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,680
and you could tell there was a little

1049
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,440
bit of frustration there that

1050
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:15,119
this should have been happening already

1051
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,960
and it wasn't um

1052
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:18,560
i don't feel he has to apologize for

1053
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,480
that but i think that was

1054
00:35:24,069 --> 00:35:21,920
that was a pretty telling statement and

1055
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:24,079
way to open that interview

1056
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:27,200
yeah i'd have to agree um well in terms

1057
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,320
of your interview

1058
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,240
andy i i love to get all your thoughts

1059
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,079
on this um you know we have this

1060
00:35:35,190 --> 00:35:33,680
pentagon task force

1061
00:35:37,750 --> 00:35:35,200
here in the united states that has

1062
00:35:39,910 --> 00:35:37,760
started up and um

1063
00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,920
i mean from what we've heard whether

1064
00:35:43,589 --> 00:35:41,200
it's either through

1065
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:43,599
outlets like the debrief of these leaked

1066
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:46,160
uap reports that they've been looking at

1067
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,960
or um people like chris mellon saying

1068
00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,000
yeah like

1069
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,320
it's there doesn't even seem to be a

1070
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,079
budget attached to this thing

1071
00:35:57,510 --> 00:35:56,240
um you made a point of asking lou you

1072
00:35:59,589 --> 00:35:57,520
know straight up like

1073
00:36:01,030 --> 00:35:59,599
what he thought about not only the task

1074
00:36:03,910 --> 00:36:01,040
force but this uh

1075
00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,920
this report um that has to be given well

1076
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:05,119
doesn't have to be

1077
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,920
but is being demanded to be given to the

1078
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:09,520
public here in the united states about

1079
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:10,800
their findings

1080
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:14,079
here in the united states about uap um

1081
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,680
lou said something in her in your

1082
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:16,720
interview that really caught my

1083
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:18,560
attention and if i'm getting this wrong

1084
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:19,680
please correct me

1085
00:36:23,990 --> 00:36:23,040
uh the ua ptf or the report was built to

1086
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:24,000
fail

1087
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:26,240
and that really um kind of stopped me in

1088
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:28,240
my tracks because i'm like

1089
00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:30,400
wow yeah i mean you would know more than

1090
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:32,480
anyone having worked a pentagon ufo

1091
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:33,359
program

1092
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:36,160
um just what he's seeing like the the

1093
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:37,280
kind of uh

1094
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:38,720
the way it's going what do you guys

1095
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:40,880
think is this thing in the united states

1096
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,040
uh mean anything should we look forward

1097
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:45,839
to it or is it just gonna be nothing

1098
00:36:49,750 --> 00:36:48,079
um yeah so it was he said it was set up

1099
00:36:52,950 --> 00:36:49,760
to fail um

1100
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:52,960
and it didn't say deliberately he just

1101
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,599
felt

1102
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,280
the way the way it came across in the

1103
00:36:58,950 --> 00:36:57,040
interview wasn't that someone went

1104
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,960
we'll give them 180 days that won't be

1105
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:00,560
enough and this is going to be a mess

1106
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:03,040
it was more a case of okay here's six

1107
00:37:05,430 --> 00:37:04,800
months which may be enough time for

1108
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,440
certain

1109
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,960
you know things like that to go through

1110
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,640
but nothing to do with this topic

1111
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,720
but he feels it's just nowhere near

1112
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,720
enough time and he he mentioned he felt

1113
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,240
double that would be would be like

1114
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:16,480
better almost a year chris melon i think

1115
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:17,599
he said pretty much

1116
00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:20,880
the same on twitter as well um i think

1117
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,880
people have to regardless what does or

1118
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:24,079
doesn't come out within it

1119
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:25,520
there's of course going to be a

1120
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:27,359
declassified report um

1121
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,200
but no doubt there'll be another report

1122
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,880
in the background we don't get to see

1123
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,320
regardless what's going to be in that

1124
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:34,720
people have to temper their expectations

1125
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:37,839
people are expecting there to be talk of

1126
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:40,160
okay here's the crash saucers we have

1127
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,800
okay here's where the aliens are from

1128
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,960
okay here's when president eisenhower

1129
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,920
really met them

1130
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,000
that was never going to be in it anyway

1131
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,000
for me there'll be a lot of language in

1132
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,000
jargon that's probably not necessarily

1133
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,520
relevant and more from a military

1134
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:55,359
tactical point of view

1135
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,160
i would have liked to have seen more of

1136
00:38:02,069 --> 00:38:00,000
a best case assessment or some

1137
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,079
assessments as to

1138
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,400
here's what they may be ideally with a

1139
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,000
line in there about

1140
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,400
off-world different dimension different

1141
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,839
reality

1142
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,520
i doubt the word alien will be in that

1143
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,960
report whatsoever

1144
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,640
i would even doubt other planets would

1145
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:17,040
be in there but just something to hint

1146
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,240
towards

1147
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:20,880
this may be something that we all hope

1148
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:21,680
or know that

1149
00:38:24,950 --> 00:38:24,079
it could be and that we build on it from

1150
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:24,960
there so

1151
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,160
yeah the the the line of setup to fail

1152
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:30,400
and and just its context you have to

1153
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:33,040
build in that it wasn't deliberate but

1154
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:34,160
they just feel it's never going to be

1155
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,280
enough time and

1156
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,359
the political situation in the us i i

1157
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:38,960
don't know exactly how much that that's

1158
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:40,000
going to affect things with the

1159
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:41,520
administration's changing

1160
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:43,119
the the head of the task force has

1161
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,720
changed recently as well

1162
00:38:48,310 --> 00:38:46,160
and like you say there's there's

1163
00:38:50,390 --> 00:38:48,320
apparently no funding in place

1164
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:50,400
but then like like lou talked about when

1165
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:52,000
he was in hezroneta

1166
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:54,000
he didn't necessarily need funding for a

1167
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,359
lot of it because

1168
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,440
the funding was going to other areas and

1169
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,359
all he had to know was the right people

1170
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,800
he didn't need funding to go and pull

1171
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,400
radar data he just had to know the guy

1172
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,720
to go to to get that information

1173
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:07,119
so i don't necessarily think the funding

1174
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:07,839
as such

1175
00:39:13,030 --> 00:39:11,040
might be the issue right

1176
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:13,040
and i mean the other big thing too is

1177
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,160
lou knows

1178
00:39:19,510 --> 00:39:16,160
the people in this task force which i

1179
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,520
think is integral to this going anywhere

1180
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:21,839
you know we we i i i always have this

1181
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,640
idea of

1182
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,800
well you got this guy who's willing to

1183
00:39:28,069 --> 00:39:27,200
like talk about all this but he left the

1184
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,079
government

1185
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,160
so are they even gonna like consult with

1186
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:31,920
him about it or are they starting from

1187
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,960
scratch and

1188
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,960
and i do wonder you know is this gonna

1189
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:36,480
be like again

1190
00:39:40,069 --> 00:39:37,920
kind of breaking everything down and

1191
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:40,079
rebuilding it again in the way that they

1192
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,400
see

1193
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:42,640
fit um but yeah do you guys have any

1194
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,240
thoughts on um

1195
00:39:47,589 --> 00:39:46,079
this stuff going on in the u.s do you

1196
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,599
have any hope for it or

1197
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:50,320
should we temper our expectations well i

1198
00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:51,200
think we're going to get

1199
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,560
pretty much what we got when we

1200
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
kind of requested for the elongated

1201
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,720
version of those three videos

1202
00:40:02,310 --> 00:40:00,079
so they said oh we could give you some

1203
00:40:03,990 --> 00:40:02,320
more but it contains

1204
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,000
classified information that we don't

1205
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,920
want to

1206
00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,440
you know end up in the hands of our

1207
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,200
adversaries that kind of thing

1208
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:12,000
so i think as you right as you and andy

1209
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:13,440
have said we do need to temper our

1210
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:15,839
expectations because

1211
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:17,599
we're not going to get everything

1212
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:19,200
they're not

1213
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,640
going to give us everything anyway

1214
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:22,400
because they don't have to

1215
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,000
we're going to get kind of like the

1216
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:26,079
super diluted version

1217
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:29,200
it may just be an acknowledgement of

1218
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:31,040
something happened here at such and such

1219
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,240
a time

1220
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:34,079
we've looked into it we can't give you

1221
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:35,839
any more information

1222
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:39,200
i think that's what we need to be

1223
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:42,160
working ourselves up to not oh yeah the

1224
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,599
minutes case

1225
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:45,680
we've got all the data for that whole

1226
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,240
week kind of thing

1227
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:51,599
yeah yeah dan what do you think

1228
00:40:56,069 --> 00:40:54,640
i think it's really important um

1229
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,079
directly because of what the guys have

1230
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,160
said for all of us to get to know our

1231
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:00,000
political representatives

1232
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:01,599
because they're the guys who have the

1233
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,599
clearance to read the part of the report

1234
00:41:06,870 --> 00:41:05,280
that let's be honest all of us really

1235
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:06,880
really would love to read

1236
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:10,000
um and we've already heard from lou that

1237
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,680
the briefings include stuff that we

1238
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,599
haven't seen data that's a lot more

1239
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:14,720
compelling

1240
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,520
so i think to build this conversation

1241
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:19,599
and to put something more permanent in

1242
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:20,000
place

1243
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,440
that isn't kind of stimmy by that

1244
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,000
180-day demand

1245
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,400
if we engage our representatives they'll

1246
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,480
engage the issue for us

1247
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,920
and once you're in a conversation with

1248
00:41:32,950 --> 00:41:31,680
those guys who knows

1249
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,960
maybe you can twist their arm into

1250
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,480
telling you something on a golf trip or

1251
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:36,560
something like that

1252
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:39,119
that's a good point i mean i remember

1253
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,079
you know

1254
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,240
directly after one of those briefings uh

1255
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:44,319
senator mark warner here in the us

1256
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,160
came out and the dude looked as white as

1257
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:48,160
a ghost you know he went in there

1258
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:48,880
thinking

1259
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:51,359
i'm gonna see a grainy video this one

1260
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:52,480
that's been on

1261
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:55,839
the news and all that um cool like

1262
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,400
i'll maybe we'll laugh about it and it

1263
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,359
came out

1264
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,359
and like you said like these guys were

1265
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:03,200
briefed on things that we're not aware

1266
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:03,760
of

1267
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:06,240
um much more compelling things than just

1268
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,839
the tic tac video or the go

1269
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:10,079
fast um so that gives me hope that

1270
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:11,040
there's a lot

1271
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,560
still out there that um i think

1272
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:17,280
our representatives are trying to digest

1273
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:18,079
right now

1274
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,920
because again like they don't think

1275
00:42:22,630 --> 00:42:21,760
about ufos they don't even talk about

1276
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,640
ufos

1277
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:24,720
on a daily basis like we do or even

1278
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,160
someone like lou does or

1279
00:42:30,230 --> 00:42:28,079
or these navy pilots that were involved

1280
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,240
with these things so um i

1281
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,400
i understand why they need time i think

1282
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:34,000
that's another thing lou keeps bringing

1283
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,400
up

1284
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:36,480
in a lot of interviews is give these

1285
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,520
guys some time

1286
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:40,400
like this isn't something that they have

1287
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:41,200
worked on

1288
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:43,680
these people in the task force they're

1289
00:42:47,589 --> 00:42:45,680
not ufo investigators

1290
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,599
they haven't been doing this a long time

1291
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,800
so um

1292
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,560
we gotta we gotta give them time to

1293
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:52,880
catch up which i i completely understand

1294
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,119
and no i don't think 180 days

1295
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:57,040
is enough to get anything done so we'll

1296
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:58,319
probably see that

1297
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:01,280
extended we might get something but um

1298
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:02,079
yeah

1299
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:05,440
it can only hey

1300
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,760
the way i look at it if we get anything

1301
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:09,440
that's going to move this topic forward

1302
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,079
in the conversation forward um

1303
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,240
well let's not focus too much on the

1304
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:16,400
united states here that's not why i have

1305
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:17,760
the three of you here

1306
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:21,599
um let's talk about a controversial

1307
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,800
individual in your neck of the woods uh

1308
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:27,920
probably the most visible person in the

1309
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:28,880
uk

1310
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,800
um who supposedly works for the mod

1311
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,960
investigating ufo so i would love to get

1312
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,400
all your opinions on this

1313
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,520
uh i believe it was the ufo researcher

1314
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,119
philip mantle who

1315
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,319
has been claiming that uh nick pope

1316
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:47,119
uh the gentleman who worked for the mod

1317
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,960
investigating ufos uh

1318
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:51,520
isn't who he says he is and i'm not a

1319
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,800
show where i get into

1320
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:55,520
you know a lot of controversy and gossip

1321
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,000
but

1322
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:58,240
i would love to get your three guys

1323
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,440
opinions on

1324
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,319
nick pope as a person as an investigator

1325
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:04,160
uh do you believe he did what he said he

1326
00:44:06,710 --> 00:44:04,800
did

1327
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:06,720
or is this just another way of kind of

1328
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,800
um doing what they did to lou here in

1329
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:10,400
the united states and

1330
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,720
kind of try to discredit him so anyone

1331
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,160
who's willing to give their opinion on

1332
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,319
this i'd love to hear it

1333
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,800
do you want me to stop yeah please dave

1334
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:20,079
i know you've written about nick

1335
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,640
extensively in the magazine so yeah

1336
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:23,520
let's do it man

1337
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,960
and i don't want to get you on the wrong

1338
00:44:27,109 --> 00:44:26,319
side of anyone but yeah what do you

1339
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:27,119
think about this

1340
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:30,560
these are not the question well nick was

1341
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:32,640
in the first very first issue i mean he

1342
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,200
was one of the first people to respond

1343
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,960
when i said i was going to launch the

1344
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,480
magazine um

1345
00:44:41,829 --> 00:44:40,319
which was great him and i thought that

1346
00:44:43,910 --> 00:44:41,839
at the time

1347
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:43,920
now nick pope has always claimed that he

1348
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:45,200
was the head

1349
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:48,880
of the ufo arm of the mod when in fact

1350
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:50,240
he was just

1351
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,560
um according to the mod itself

1352
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:55,839
i'll just read this here because i've

1353
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:58,079
written it down

1354
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:01,359
in a letter that is available through

1355
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:01,920
the

1356
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:05,599
december 97

1357
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,480
it says regarding mr nicholas pope he

1358
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:09,920
was a junior desk officer

1359
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:12,480
in the secretariat air staff 2a section

1360
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:14,400
from 91 to 94

1361
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:16,640
and was not in charge of or the head of

1362
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:17,599
any part

1363
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,880
of the secretariat hair staff to a mr

1364
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,720
pope was an executive officer and shared

1365
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:24,560
the support of one administrator

1366
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:27,680
officer unexplained sightings

1367
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,680
represented a small part of his overall

1368
00:45:34,710 --> 00:45:31,760
duties

1369
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,720
and that's from his former bosses so

1370
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:36,720
he's kind of like over exaggerated his

1371
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,599
role

1372
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:40,800
and i think part of that is due to

1373
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,680
the media in the uk because at that when

1374
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:45,599
the x-files came out

1375
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,800
and they kind of latched on to the fact

1376
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:50,800
that there may be like a department

1377
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,760
such as the x-files in the mod so they

1378
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,520
were looking for a spokesperson

1379
00:45:59,109 --> 00:45:57,440
and i'm pretty sure that nick just

1380
00:46:01,990 --> 00:45:59,119
pulled his hand

1381
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:02,000
became the go-to guy for all unexplained

1382
00:46:06,790 --> 00:46:03,839
phenomena and ufo reports

1383
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,800
and then he's kind of run with it i mean

1384
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:08,560
that's just my opinion

1385
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,839
um but he has i mean i've heard stories

1386
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,520
about him from other researchers

1387
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,040
especially in the uk

1388
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:16,880
where he'll be sat in the front row of a

1389
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,319
conference scribbling down notes

1390
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,599
of a certain person speaking and then

1391
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:25,520
he'll use those notes to pass off as his

1392
00:46:29,349 --> 00:46:26,880
own research

1393
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:29,359
in future conference appearances i mean

1394
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,640
that i've heard that from a couple of

1395
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,920
guys and i think

1396
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,680
in the latest issue of outer limits

1397
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,200
magazine

1398
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:38,800
they've done a big kind of report on the

1399
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,640
stuff that philip mantle was

1400
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:43,040
sending around and he got the evidence

1401
00:46:46,230 --> 00:46:43,920
from the mod

1402
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,240
so you know there is no smoke without

1403
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,069
what do you guys think so um

1404
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,920
i've interviewed philip mantle and

1405
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:55,280
spoken to philip mantle

1406
00:46:59,430 --> 00:46:58,079
separately about his situation with nick

1407
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,440
pope if you want to call it that

1408
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,440
uh dr david clarke that had on recently

1409
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:03,119
about rendelsham i had a similar

1410
00:47:06,550 --> 00:47:04,640
conversation

1411
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,560
i interviewed nick pope as well back

1412
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,920
near the start of the podcast in a

1413
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:09,440
broadcast that went terribly because of

1414
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:10,079
bandwidth

1415
00:47:15,510 --> 00:47:13,839
issues so i don't disagree with

1416
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:15,520
a lot of what's coming out and it's not

1417
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,520
disagree because it's fact it's you know

1418
00:47:20,870 --> 00:47:18,640
it's there in black and white like

1419
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,880
dave's talked about

1420
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,000
however i don't totally think

1421
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:25,839
nick pope's out there just lying to

1422
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:27,200
everyone

1423
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:30,640
i i would say the media have it looks

1424
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:30,960
like

1425
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,040
greatly exaggerated what his role has

1426
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,440
been over over the passage of time

1427
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:38,079
he is when the the papers report things

1428
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:39,040
it's usually

1429
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:41,920
nick pope mod correspondent or the uk's

1430
00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:42,880
fox mulder

1431
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,559
would be how the the papers in the uk

1432
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:46,079
tend to report it

1433
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,920
so i don't think that's necessarily all

1434
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:49,680
nick pope's fault

1435
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,359
um i think he has maybe

1436
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:56,319
allowed the exaggerated reports of what

1437
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,520
his job was

1438
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,720
just to go on but i i do think he's

1439
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,160
potentially been privy to some

1440
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,280
information

1441
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,240
not necessarily directly but that has

1442
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:08,000
allowed him to kind of build this

1443
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,359
career that he has because let's not

1444
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:11,200
forget he still went on to be he's an

1445
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,000
author

1446
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,040
um he has you know an alien con coming

1447
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,200
up as well online with chase klutzke and

1448
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:19,839
and whatnot he has a talking head on

1449
00:48:23,589 --> 00:48:22,079
almost every us documentary series going

1450
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,599
out there as well that doesn't instantly

1451
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,200
give you credit mind you given some of

1452
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:26,480
the names that also appear on those

1453
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:27,280
shows

1454
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,480
um i don't think it's

1455
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,240
the complete charlatan people are making

1456
00:48:35,190 --> 00:48:33,760
out but i certainly feel there's been an

1457
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,200
exaggerated

1458
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:38,000
um role that's been allowed to be built

1459
00:48:41,030 --> 00:48:38,960
up over time

1460
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:41,040
and you know what fair play nick has

1461
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:42,720
gone and made a successful career and

1462
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,000
living out of that

1463
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:46,960
um i don't think he's been investigating

1464
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:48,079
ufos

1465
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:50,079
the way it's made out but i don't doubt

1466
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,920
he's been privy to some conversations

1467
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:53,359
that have allowed him to

1468
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,599
potentially sound in the know or be more

1469
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:57,280
in the northern than some would let on

1470
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,760
so

1471
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,520
i i play a little bit devil's advocate

1472
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,200
with it but like dave says there's no

1473
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:03,119
smoke without fire

1474
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,640
i i would say it's more been greatly

1475
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,319
exaggerated

1476
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,040
gotcha what about you dan anything to

1477
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:10,880
add

1478
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:14,319
yeah uh for me i i love that andy said

1479
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:14,880
uh

1480
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:17,280
the uk's fox mulder because that that's

1481
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:18,720
how i was introduced to

1482
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,599
nick pope's work um and over over the

1483
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:23,040
years

1484
00:49:26,790 --> 00:49:24,880
you can read a lot of what nick pope

1485
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:26,800
puts out and

1486
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,720
there's not a lot of new things that

1487
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:31,200
come into the narrative

1488
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,559
um so for me next value rests

1489
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,359
in the fact that he's someone that takes

1490
00:49:41,349 --> 00:49:39,359
these ideas seriously

1491
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,359
has a little bit of knowledge of what

1492
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:42,880
goes on behind that

1493
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:46,240
veil of you know uh bureaucracy

1494
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,839
we'll say um and and can kind of help us

1495
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:51,440
navigate a little bit

1496
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:54,559
um i i think i'd be with andy in saying

1497
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,119
that

1498
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,119
you know the reputation was exaggerated

1499
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,559
and not corrected and you know

1500
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,720
you get 10 years down the road and it's

1501
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,640
it's all out of hand

1502
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:05,040
but he's not in the desert charging

1503
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:06,640
people thousands of dollars

1504
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,280
to see flair drop by planes you know and

1505
00:50:13,190 --> 00:50:11,119
so

1506
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,200
there's a level of harmless let's do it

1507
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:14,880
yeah i think also

1508
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:17,920
we need to add that you know without him

1509
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,280
whatever we think of him

1510
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:21,920
on a personal level he probably got a

1511
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,319
lot of people into the subject

1512
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:26,880
whether directly or indirectly so i

1513
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,440
think

1514
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,319
the benefit of him still being around i

1515
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,760
mean i know that

1516
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:34,240
i think it was room 101 they don't think

1517
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,119
you put him into

1518
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:38,240
um into the bin did you

1519
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,510
yeah yeah andy's having ptsd of the 101s

1520
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:49,200
for sure

1521
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:51,119
or he's just blacked it out of his mind

1522
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,200
um no i would have to agree with the

1523
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,359
with all three of you guys um i've met

1524
00:50:58,790 --> 00:50:56,960
nick he's a gentleman through and

1525
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,800
through he's extremely

1526
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,720
um eloquent in the way he presents

1527
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,880
things and uh yeah you know

1528
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,599
i mean it is what it is it's tough

1529
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:06,960
especially when you have

1530
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,280
someone like john burroughs one of the

1531
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:11,359
prime witnesses of the rendelsham forest

1532
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,079
incident

1533
00:51:16,870 --> 00:51:15,040
um kind of saying that nick isn't who he

1534
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:16,880
says he is or did what he said he did

1535
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:20,400
um it's it's hard um so i mean i guess

1536
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:21,839
we're kind of all on the same page when

1537
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:22,880
it comes to that

1538
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,000
um it is what it is and um he has

1539
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:28,160
introduced a lot of us to the ufo topic

1540
00:51:32,549 --> 00:51:29,520
i i remember

1541
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:32,559
again he was the british fox moulder for

1542
00:51:35,589 --> 00:51:33,040
me

1543
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:35,599
here in the united states so um it is

1544
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,400
what it is

1545
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:38,400
but let's move on to another very

1546
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:39,599
controversial

1547
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:42,800
character big bobby lasers

1548
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,640
bob lazar i would love to hear all of

1549
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:47,680
your thoughts

1550
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:50,160
on this as many people know watching

1551
00:51:53,829 --> 00:51:51,119
this and listening

1552
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,839
i have been a huge advocate of mr lazar

1553
00:51:56,950 --> 00:51:55,040
for many years

1554
00:51:59,109 --> 00:51:56,960
and that comes more from a want to

1555
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,119
believe than uh actual

1556
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:01,280
data and evidence and probably in the

1557
00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:02,400
past few months

1558
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:04,240
i've really started to get on the other

1559
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:06,000
side of bob lazar

1560
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,119
on the uh the non-believer side but

1561
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:11,119
that does not mean i i completely

1562
00:52:14,790 --> 00:52:12,720
discount everything this man

1563
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:14,800
has to say so andy let's go in order

1564
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,720
here ascending order what are your

1565
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,079
thoughts on bob lazar

1566
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:20,160
everything that bob bigelow has brought

1567
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,160
forward with him and george knapp and

1568
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,359
jeremy corbell

1569
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:25,280
give us your thoughts on bob lazar if

1570
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,720
you don't mind

1571
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:28,319
i like the way you preface that that

1572
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:30,000
it's more of a want to know than that

1573
00:52:33,510 --> 00:52:30,480
you've

1574
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,520
also just brought up a name that i was

1575
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,640
discussing with uh

1576
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:37,040
danny silva um a couple of hours ago

1577
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,480
george knapp for me

1578
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:41,680
is the one that really lends a lot of

1579
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,800
credibility to

1580
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:45,280
to bob lazar and his story i'm a huge

1581
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:47,200
fan of george knapp i've got a lot of

1582
00:52:51,270 --> 00:52:49,520
respect for him i like his style

1583
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,280
i like his appearance he's on coast to

1584
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:53,119
coast you know mystery wire anything

1585
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,400
he's done in the past

1586
00:52:57,750 --> 00:52:56,000
um so i've got a huge respect for george

1587
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:57,760
knapp and don't feel he would have gone

1588
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,119
along with a story for what now 32 years

1589
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:04,240
or more had there not been something to

1590
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:04,559
it

1591
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,559
road you know

1592
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,079
everyone could go straight to bob

1593
00:53:14,069 --> 00:53:12,480
lazar's um education the bets that are

1594
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:14,079
missing and then obviously they had the

1595
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:16,559
documentary with jeremy corbell

1596
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:19,680
um the fbi raid in his offices but then

1597
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:22,000
there's bob lazar's potentially

1598
00:53:25,190 --> 00:53:22,960
nefarious

1599
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:25,200
backstory involving strip club

1600
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:26,559
investments and everything like that and

1601
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,640
people have lives and

1602
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,240
for me there definitely seems to be

1603
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:33,040
something to it i believe he did

1604
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,480
work on a project it's

1605
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,640
the fact is bob lazar has come out and

1606
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,920
talked about an element that didn't

1607
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:40,880
exist

1608
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:44,240
lazar

1609
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,319
has had has made some incredible claims

1610
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,000
that he did work or and reverse

1611
00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:51,119
engineer flying saucers in groom lake

1612
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,640
um the the evidence

1613
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,000
of course is something that you're

1614
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:57,520
probably never going to see or find out

1615
00:53:59,829 --> 00:53:58,640
because the only way to prove it would

1616
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,839
be for someone to

1617
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:01,520
to pull up in a hangar and go yeah there

1618
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:03,440
is you know there's bob some chicken

1619
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,880
sheet and checkout sheet

1620
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:06,400
next to that saucer over there and we're

1621
00:54:10,230 --> 00:54:08,079
not going to get that um

1622
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,240
i i love the story it's quite a romantic

1623
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:12,160
one and ufology

1624
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:14,160
um but it's one that still has stuck

1625
00:54:18,309 --> 00:54:15,920
around nonetheless

1626
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,319
um bob lazar's an intelligent guy i

1627
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:20,079
think he's very charismatic

1628
00:54:24,630 --> 00:54:22,800
um and like i say you get drawn into

1629
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:24,640
that story for me it's one

1630
00:54:28,549 --> 00:54:26,480
i want to believe and i think there's a

1631
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,559
lot of truth within the story

1632
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:30,240
if and like we've just talked about

1633
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,640
before some of it maybe bob has gone

1634
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:34,800
along with and built up in the myth and

1635
00:54:38,710 --> 00:54:35,280
the lore

1636
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,720
over the years on the flip side of what

1637
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:40,079
dave talked about with nick pope i don't

1638
00:54:43,109 --> 00:54:41,440
think there's smoke without fire with

1639
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,119
that story so

1640
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,000
yeah yeah the the answers are always

1641
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:47,599
somewhere in between i think with

1642
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:50,400
this entire topic um dave what do you

1643
00:54:55,910 --> 00:54:52,960
what do you think

1644
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:55,920
well i i mean i like the story and i

1645
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,559
like bob

1646
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,200
as a person every time i've seen him on

1647
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,359
whatever whether it was on larry king

1648
00:55:05,910 --> 00:55:04,160
you know rest in peace or um you know

1649
00:55:09,109 --> 00:55:05,920
the jeremy corbell documentary i have a

1650
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:09,119
lot of time for jeremy corbell

1651
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:11,119
mainly because he got behind the mag as

1652
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:12,720
well um as you did

1653
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:15,839
and you know he managed to get bob to

1654
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:17,520
answer a few of my questions which

1655
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,160
appeared in an interview in issue six

1656
00:55:23,750 --> 00:55:21,520
but i think

1657
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:23,760
his story is just one of those where you

1658
00:55:26,630 --> 00:55:24,559
really really

1659
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:26,640
really want it to be true and you want

1660
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:28,480
the facts to line up and you want

1661
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,000
to know that yes there were there was

1662
00:55:37,589 --> 00:55:35,119
a crashed vehicle in s4

1663
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:37,599
um whether it was a recent crash or a

1664
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,680
historical one or as has been mentioned

1665
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,920
in the past and archaeological one

1666
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,280
you know this could be something that

1667
00:55:45,910 --> 00:55:44,799
was found in the desert in the middle

1668
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,920
east 2 000

1669
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,440
you know that crashed a thousand years

1670
00:55:52,789 --> 00:55:50,319
ago which was flown back over

1671
00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:52,799
um but in the fact that he came out and

1672
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:54,880
he said i'm coming out

1673
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,760
to save my own life um and like and he

1674
00:56:01,190 --> 00:55:58,720
said george knapp

1675
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:01,200
is one of the most credible people and

1676
00:56:05,990 --> 00:56:03,440
reporters i think we all know

1677
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:06,000
and i don't think that he would get

1678
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,720
sucked in

1679
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,559
to a story like that considering

1680
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,000
everything else that's been going on in

1681
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,480
ufology over the last 30 years

1682
00:56:16,630 --> 00:56:14,480
i mean bob disappeared for a while he

1683
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,640
got he set up his own company

1684
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,720
after a while which deals with you know

1685
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:20,640
government contracts relating to nuclear

1686
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:21,599
elements or

1687
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:24,640
nuclear materials so you don't get that

1688
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,760
kind of job if you've lied about

1689
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,599
your role in the in a government

1690
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:30,960
programme

1691
00:56:36,789 --> 00:56:33,359
and you're perceived as a threat to the

1692
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,190
yeah yeah again i think there's there's

1693
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:41,520
so many elements to it that just fall

1694
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:44,240
into place and some that it's like 15

1695
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:45,040
elements

1696
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,599
yeah there you go brother oh well hey

1697
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,760
you bring up element 115 that's one of

1698
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,280
the biggest issues

1699
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,839
i have and i know other uh podcasters

1700
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:55,359
and whatnot have brought this up

1701
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,119
recently is um he supposedly buried

1702
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,960
the element somewhere in a desert

1703
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:02,559
somewhere this story

1704
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:05,280
we've heard for many years and um the

1705
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,319
fact that

1706
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,040
if that's the case dude like we could

1707
00:57:13,589 --> 00:57:10,799
use that right now whatever

1708
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,599
element 115 does if we're able to able

1709
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,200
to stabilize it somehow

1710
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:18,079
and whatever energy it uses maybe it

1711
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:19,520
could benefit us

1712
00:57:23,349 --> 00:57:21,920
and humanity right now yet he's choosing

1713
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,359
not to bring that forward

1714
00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,520
so um i always take issue with that

1715
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:27,680
whole element 115 thing

1716
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,640
um i take issue with the autobiography

1717
00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:32,400
that came out about lazar

1718
00:57:37,910 --> 00:57:35,359
um i was so looking forward to that book

1719
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:37,920
and element 115 wasn't mentioned once

1720
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,040
in the entire book which completely uh

1721
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,240
disappointed me

1722
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,240
and um it was just one of the worst

1723
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:46,160
written books i've read in a really long

1724
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,799
time

1725
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,880
so i'm just being brutally honest about

1726
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,640
that but now i'm gonna throw it over to

1727
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,319
you dan who i know will uh

1728
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:54,720
be a lot more kinder i hope in terms of

1729
00:57:59,829 --> 00:57:56,720
bob lazar or maybe not maybe not

1730
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,839
give us your thoughts man so

1731
00:58:02,870 --> 00:58:01,200
when whenever people ask me about

1732
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:02,880
bobazar um

1733
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,480
when i say that i mean like friends

1734
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:06,720
asking for you know give me give me

1735
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:08,000
something about this guy that i

1736
00:58:12,069 --> 00:58:11,680
saw on netflix um i i always refer them

1737
00:58:15,349 --> 00:58:12,079
to

1738
00:58:16,549 --> 00:58:15,359
that really old cheesy video that

1739
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:16,559
bubblers are made

1740
00:58:20,470 --> 00:58:18,880
um where he's in the desert with his car

1741
00:58:21,349 --> 00:58:20,480
i don't know if uh if you've seen that

1742
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:21,359
one ryan

1743
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,559
um and it's amazing and he gets to

1744
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,480
present his own information which is why

1745
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:27,680
i really like that

1746
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:31,280
uh video um and in that video you can

1747
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,240
really separate

1748
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,799
his his claims into two parts the one

1749
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,400
claim is what he saw

1750
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:39,200
and then the other claim is what he read

1751
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,799
now we all know the government played

1752
00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:42,160
disinformation games

1753
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:44,240
so what he read and what was given to

1754
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,480
him in you know the binder in the room

1755
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:47,839
to read through

1756
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,000
that could all be nonsense but it really

1757
00:58:54,789 --> 00:58:52,079
demonstrates that

1758
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:54,799
when when we have someone that talks

1759
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,640
about these kind of things

1760
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,480
all it takes is for them to believe that

1761
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,160
it's real for them to start

1762
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,359
spreading the story as if it is um then

1763
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,040
on the other side we have the stuff that

1764
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,920
he saw which is

1765
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,079
something that i i find myself

1766
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,520
constantly juggling

1767
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:14,079
it's something that's in a gray basket

1768
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:14,720
um

1769
00:59:19,829 --> 00:59:18,000
and unless he ever comes forward and

1770
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,839
gives us the 115.

1771
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,400
we're never gonna be able to to confirm

1772
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:23,599
it one way or the other

1773
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,799
but until then it's a very cool story

1774
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,119
and i wonder why no one's made a movie

1775
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,799
so far

1776
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,960
tell me about it i know at one point

1777
00:59:37,270 --> 00:59:35,040
matt damon was attached to it

1778
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,280
uh from what i've been doing but um was

1779
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:39,200
it was my name i'm gonna play bob

1780
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:41,760
yes yeah well have you guys seen that

1781
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,640
music video

1782
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:45,200
about bob lazar um some like hip-hop

1783
00:59:48,150 --> 00:59:46,079
artists

1784
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,160
i think out in los angeles made like a

1785
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,960
whole music video based around bob and

1786
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:52,400
it was like

1787
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:56,720
the quality was like a-list movie-making

1788
01:00:00,309 --> 00:59:58,480
whoever the actor was that played lazar

1789
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:00,319
in this music video um

1790
01:00:04,630 --> 01:00:02,240
we gotta get him because he was perfect

1791
01:00:06,630 --> 01:00:04,640
but um yeah i i'm lying

1792
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,640
right yeah yeah i can i just ask i think

1793
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:07,760
it's the bob lazar

1794
01:00:10,870 --> 01:00:10,240
story schemes out for a one-man theater

1795
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:10,880
monologue

1796
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:12,960
production and i think next time you're

1797
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:14,240
looking for some inspiration

1798
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:16,319
that might be uh that might be you

1799
01:00:20,069 --> 01:00:18,240
you're you're working a lot you know

1800
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,079
absol are you hearing that broadway

1801
01:00:23,270 --> 01:00:21,760
please please i would support that i

1802
01:00:25,430 --> 01:00:23,280
would support that

1803
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,440
i'm unemployed if i can uh i can make a

1804
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,280
one-man show out of bob lazar and have

1805
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:29,280
him star in it that would be amazing but

1806
01:00:36,789 --> 01:00:35,430
in a similar way to a few good men i

1807
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:36,799
think that would go really well and then

1808
01:00:40,829 --> 01:00:38,240
you can have the actors come through the

1809
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:40,839
audience and interact it would be very

1810
01:00:44,789 --> 01:00:42,799
cool

1811
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,799
i love that dave what were you gonna say

1812
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:46,880
man well i was gonna say after your

1813
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:50,160
um you know your larry warren screenplay

1814
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:51,680
was filmed

1815
01:00:56,630 --> 01:00:54,880
online in september you know

1816
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,640
this is perfect opportunity for you to

1817
01:01:01,589 --> 01:00:58,480
pick up a pen and

1818
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,599
write it that's true my man but hey

1819
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:03,839
i don't know larry warren gave me death

1820
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,520
threats i don't know if goblins

1821
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,920
would do the same but uh that's a story

1822
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:09,040
for another time

1823
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,400
um i guess let's move on to kind of the

1824
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:14,480
last core topic i'd love to talk to you

1825
01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,200
guys about

1826
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,720
and then i have listener questions if

1827
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:18,480
you're willing to stick around for some

1828
01:01:21,190 --> 01:01:18,960
of those

1829
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:21,200
um i think we got some really good ones

1830
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,640
um

1831
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:25,839
ce5 movement this is kind of big right

1832
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,400
now

1833
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:28,640
you have like the nuts and bolts

1834
01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:29,839
government

1835
01:01:34,150 --> 01:01:32,240
ufo issue going on and then you've got

1836
01:01:37,430 --> 01:01:34,160
this whole other side

1837
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:37,440
of this topic that has to do with um

1838
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:40,880
a more metaphysical side to all of this

1839
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:43,680
and uh you know i've given my my

1840
01:01:48,789 --> 01:01:46,160
thoughts on c5 in the past i think it's

1841
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:48,799
very interesting i've never done it so i

1842
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:50,000
can't really speak

1843
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:52,880
on it but um do you guys have any

1844
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:53,680
thoughts on this

1845
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:56,640
this idea of us initiating contact with

1846
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:58,799
aliens instead of vice versa

1847
01:02:03,430 --> 01:02:01,359
and um what are the traps that we might

1848
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,440
fall in when it comes to that and

1849
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:06,079
yeah whoever's willing to to comment on

1850
01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,000
the whole ce5 movement we have

1851
01:02:11,190 --> 01:02:10,079
in the ufo field right now please be my

1852
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,200
guest

1853
01:02:14,230 --> 01:02:13,119
well i want to defer to what lou

1854
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:14,240
answered

1855
01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:16,480
in andy's podcast saying if it works it

1856
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:18,400
works brilliant

1857
01:02:21,910 --> 01:02:20,559
i mean i'm not the type i haven't got

1858
01:02:25,109 --> 01:02:21,920
the patience to

1859
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,119
share in the field and you know try and

1860
01:02:29,349 --> 01:02:27,200
meditate and try and get something to

1861
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:29,359
acknowledge my presence

1862
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,559
it's just the kind of person i am

1863
01:02:34,069 --> 01:02:32,720
because my brain is just going off all

1864
01:02:36,710 --> 01:02:34,079
the time so

1865
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:36,720
you know if it does work that's great

1866
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:37,359
and it's

1867
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,160
a personal experience i think i don't

1868
01:02:46,150 --> 01:02:41,359
think you can have the big

1869
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:46,160
group meditations and the big group

1870
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,280
kind of sightings without as we said

1871
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,720
earlier someone in a plane dropping a

1872
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:52,720
load of flares

1873
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:56,480
yeah yeah exactly exactly

1874
01:03:03,029 --> 01:03:00,000
dan what do you think man so

1875
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:03,039
i actually have a few experiences um and

1876
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,520
i stopped kind of playing with it

1877
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:08,079
um just because it it worked a little

1878
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,119
too well

1879
01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:12,640
and after talking to

1880
01:03:17,589 --> 01:03:16,000
um sean cahill a bit about how

1881
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,599
we interact with the phenomena and how

1882
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,119
we don't really understand

1883
01:03:23,510 --> 01:03:21,440
what it is in spite of whatever we may

1884
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:23,520
feel when it takes place

1885
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:26,880
i decided not to not to engage so much

1886
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:27,599
with it

1887
01:03:33,430 --> 01:03:30,720
um i started feeling a bit

1888
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,440
like you you know deep down in the ocean

1889
01:03:36,069 --> 01:03:35,359
uh you get those um i forget the name of

1890
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,079
the fish

1891
01:03:39,910 --> 01:03:38,640
but it has the light out in front of it

1892
01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:39,920
um

1893
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,000
i started feeling a little bit like that

1894
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,240
not that it made me feel that way but

1895
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:46,960
you know i put a defense up there and i

1896
01:03:51,990 --> 01:03:49,280
found that it hasn't worked for me since

1897
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,000
i kind of took that attitude uh which i

1898
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:54,960
thought was interesting

1899
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,760
in in terms of my experiences with it um

1900
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:02,880
they they would go something like uh you

1901
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:04,160
know i've had so many and

1902
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,559
and laura was with me for one that we

1903
01:04:10,309 --> 01:04:07,760
had in bracken

1904
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:10,319
where we were staring up um yeah we were

1905
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:11,520
looking at mars because it was really

1906
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:12,880
high on the horizon

1907
01:04:17,670 --> 01:04:15,920
um and

1908
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:17,680
there was just there were no satellites

1909
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,039
or anything like that

1910
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,920
and i jokingly kind of asked her if she

1911
01:04:25,270 --> 01:04:23,359
was ready to initiate

1912
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:25,280
um and she said yeah okay fine let's do

1913
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,880
it so we sat down and

1914
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:28,640
it's nice to kind of listen to the

1915
01:04:31,910 --> 01:04:30,319
breeze and the trees and things like

1916
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:31,920
that in a scenario

1917
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:34,319
um in an environment like that so it's

1918
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:35,760
very relaxing

1919
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:38,839
but we both looked in one direction

1920
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:40,480
suddenly

1921
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:42,880
and right where we looked there was this

1922
01:04:49,750 --> 01:04:48,069
and it weeded us out that we looked in

1923
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:49,760
that particular direction

1924
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:53,520
and after that we started kind of

1925
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,680
asking for a for a reaction and then

1926
01:05:01,670 --> 01:05:00,000
waiting for different amounts of time so

1927
01:05:03,990 --> 01:05:01,680
we could make sure it wasn't a plane or

1928
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,000
a satellite or you know an iridium flare

1929
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:05,440
or something like that

1930
01:05:09,270 --> 01:05:07,760
and it genuinely felt like we made a

1931
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:09,280
connection

1932
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:13,039
so my opinion on ce5 is that it's real

1933
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:14,559
but we don't know what we're dealing

1934
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:17,440
with so be careful

1935
01:05:21,990 --> 01:05:20,799
tread lightly exactly i um i i do think

1936
01:05:25,029 --> 01:05:22,000
that ce5 is

1937
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:25,039
an extremely personal experience just as

1938
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:26,640
any ufo sighting is

1939
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:28,240
like it's going to mean something to you

1940
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:30,400
more than it will anyone you tell about

1941
01:05:33,829 --> 01:05:30,799
it

1942
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:33,839
or anyone else that's there so um yeah

1943
01:05:36,950 --> 01:05:35,359
andy anything to add when it comes to

1944
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:36,960
ce5

1945
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:39,520
yep you don't have to pay 9.99 for an

1946
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:40,960
app for it to work

1947
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,359
um like dan's experiences prove that as

1948
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,559
well um

1949
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,880
lou mentioned when i asked him about you

1950
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:49,440
that mankind versus mankind's statement

1951
01:05:52,549 --> 01:05:50,160
he made

1952
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:52,559
and he brought up the the ex i wasn't

1953
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,839
expecting as much as they gave but the

1954
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:55,520
expanded point on

1955
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,480
perhaps these these objects are some of

1956
01:06:01,029 --> 01:06:00,319
the phenomena because it's an umbrella

1957
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:01,039
topic

1958
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:04,319
um they experience our present

1959
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:07,119
and over a longer period potentially i

1960
01:06:09,829 --> 01:06:07,760
am not

1961
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:09,839
that mathematically our you know physics

1962
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:11,520
inclined so i i'm going to explain that

1963
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,720
really badly but

1964
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:14,880
if these things are are always there

1965
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:15,760
potentially

1966
01:06:18,630 --> 01:06:17,280
but we just can't see them because

1967
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:18,640
they're in a different reality or a

1968
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:20,240
different point in time or they don't

1969
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,079
experience time the same way

1970
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:23,920
perhaps when you know dan and his

1971
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,559
partner go to practice ce5 or anyone

1972
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:27,599
goes to do it

1973
01:06:31,430 --> 01:06:30,640
that they're tuning in to a frequency or

1974
01:06:33,510 --> 01:06:31,440
a point

1975
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,520
that these things become visible and

1976
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:35,200
that connections made and you know with

1977
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,119
consciousness playing such a big part

1978
01:06:40,470 --> 01:06:39,039
and all of this we keep hearing more and

1979
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,480
more about consciousness

1980
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:42,880
perhaps you're just forming a connection

1981
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:44,720
that at that point in time

1982
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,240
if you want to call it timer at that

1983
01:06:50,950 --> 01:06:48,400
moment where these things and you are

1984
01:06:52,309 --> 01:06:50,960
interacting in a totally different space

1985
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:52,319
and that's where dan says he thinks he

1986
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:53,680
gets like a [\h__\h] you got like a feeling

1987
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,559
when you're there

1988
01:06:57,349 --> 01:06:55,839
almost like you're disconnecting a

1989
01:06:58,150 --> 01:06:57,359
little bit from this reality it's not

1990
01:06:59,910 --> 01:06:58,160
just like

1991
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:59,920
when i saw the black triangle or when i

1992
01:07:03,190 --> 01:07:01,280
saw that that um

1993
01:07:05,109 --> 01:07:03,200
craft on its side that there was nothing

1994
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:05,119
like that i was just seeing an object

1995
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,760
and maybe c5 it's that more spiritual

1996
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:09,280
conscious side of it

1997
01:07:12,390 --> 01:07:10,960
and that's why people get these weird

1998
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,400
feelings and it's almost like a tuning

1999
01:07:15,829 --> 01:07:14,319
in of a different frequency so i think

2000
01:07:16,710 --> 01:07:15,839
that maybe ties into what lou talked

2001
01:07:19,270 --> 01:07:16,720
about a little bit

2002
01:07:20,950 --> 01:07:19,280
more on my podcast that people like um

2003
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:20,960
understand far better than i do i won't

2004
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:22,319
even pretend dan's

2005
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:23,440
dan's really good with that kind of

2006
01:07:25,910 --> 01:07:24,480
stuff to be honest and that's what i

2007
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,920
talk to him about but

2008
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,599
yeah i i think there's a definite

2009
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:29,200
element there of you you're tuning in to

2010
01:07:32,230 --> 01:07:30,559
something else and

2011
01:07:34,230 --> 01:07:32,240
dan again is absolutely spot on when he

2012
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:34,240
talks about you know sean cahill and

2013
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:35,599
talks about meditation

2014
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:39,200
and vibration and you know the universe

2015
01:07:42,309 --> 01:07:40,079
all being won

2016
01:07:43,109 --> 01:07:42,319
potentially you're playing about with

2017
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:43,119
things that you don't

2018
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,559
no one really understands so absolutely

2019
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:47,920
paying two and a half thousand dollars

2020
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:49,280
to stand on a beach and

2021
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:51,200
watch a pilot drop flares off the coast

2022
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,559
is no doubt beautiful

2023
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,480
depending on the scenery but it's

2024
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:56,640
certainly not getting in touch with any

2025
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:58,799
alien beings

2026
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:00,960
right and i think all three of you

2027
01:08:04,950 --> 01:08:02,160
stressed this

2028
01:08:06,950 --> 01:08:04,960
idea that um there will always be

2029
01:08:08,470 --> 01:08:06,960
individuals in this field who want to

2030
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:08,480
take advantage of people's belief

2031
01:08:12,150 --> 01:08:09,440
systems

2032
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:12,160
um when they're in that vulnerable state

2033
01:08:16,070 --> 01:08:13,119
of wanting

2034
01:08:16,870 --> 01:08:16,080
to see something or expecting something

2035
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:16,880
they will

2036
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:19,040
and that can cloud your judgment and

2037
01:08:21,829 --> 01:08:20,080
we've dealt with that

2038
01:08:24,229 --> 01:08:21,839
in so many different ways in this field

2039
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,239
throughout the decades of charlatans and

2040
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,440
and people's stories changing and and um

2041
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:29,759
morphing into something unrecognizable

2042
01:08:32,789 --> 01:08:30,719
from the

2043
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,799
original story and it's just that's the

2044
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:35,440
way it is and that'll always be a part

2045
01:08:41,669 --> 01:08:39,199
of this whole ufo issue as it were so um

2046
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,679
i'm with you guys i think um while i'm

2047
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:43,040
not personally

2048
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,719
one to try ce5 i think hey

2049
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:49,440
if you think it's gonna work then do it

2050
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:49,759
and

2051
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:53,679
someone will interpret it another but

2052
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,719
yeah let's not

2053
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:56,880
let's not charge people to go out in the

2054
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:57,759
woods and

2055
01:09:02,309 --> 01:09:01,040
and you know kumbaya let's let's get the

2056
01:09:04,789 --> 01:09:02,319
mothership here

2057
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:04,799
and i don't i don't want to i don't want

2058
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:06,159
that to sound disparaging

2059
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,359
either because that could happen but

2060
01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:11,679
i agree with you guys i think if this is

2061
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:12,480
going to

2062
01:09:18,789 --> 01:09:16,159
um to help somebody in their life

2063
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,799
do it you know we live in a world where

2064
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:20,159
a lot of people are scared

2065
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:22,400
and uncertain of what's going to come

2066
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:23,359
next and

2067
01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:26,960
and questioning their mortality or um

2068
01:09:31,510 --> 01:09:29,199
you know just everything in between that

2069
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,520
if this is going to make you happy

2070
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,239
then do it just be careful because you

2071
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,159
don't know what's gonna happen so

2072
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:38,239
um yeah i think i think that's a good

2073
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,080
way to kind of wrap up

2074
01:09:43,510 --> 01:09:41,920
um the core stuff i wanted to bring you

2075
01:09:46,950 --> 01:09:43,520
guys on here but

2076
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:46,960
for our listener questions our first one

2077
01:09:53,990 --> 01:09:50,799
comes from appropriately ukuap

2078
01:09:56,709 --> 01:09:54,000
on twitter and they ask what is your

2079
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,719
best guess of who is holding the secrets

2080
01:10:00,550 --> 01:09:59,520
to uap in the uk which government

2081
01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:00,560
department

2082
01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:03,280
or contractor do any of you guys have

2083
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,470
oh we'll be in quiet because it's going

2084
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:12,000
to get political

2085
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:14,719
is it is it hey hey as long as it's not

2086
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:15,199
us

2087
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:18,960
politics i'm okay yeah i mean there was

2088
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:21,920
a thinking back in the 90s that uh there

2089
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:24,080
was a place called ruglow manor

2090
01:10:29,669 --> 01:10:27,360
right right um which timothy good

2091
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,679
spoke out about at length in his books

2092
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,280
uh beyond top secret and above top

2093
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,880
secret

2094
01:10:36,950 --> 01:10:35,040
but now that's disused but that was

2095
01:10:40,229 --> 01:10:36,960
supposed to have been the british

2096
01:10:41,030 --> 01:10:40,239
kind of area 51 you know apparently it's

2097
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:41,040
got these

2098
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:43,520
massive bases on the ground um

2099
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:46,400
subterranean levels going down

2100
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,480
miles but it's never been

2101
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,520
absolutely confirmed and i think it's

2102
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:55,360
also been hijacked as well by

2103
01:10:58,229 --> 01:10:56,480
that particular theory it's been

2104
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,239
hijacked by you know people who talk

2105
01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:00,000
about black goo

2106
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:01,440
you know people who talk about super

2107
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,400
soldiers um

2108
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:06,560
q anon and all that kind of thing which

2109
01:11:11,590 --> 01:11:07,600
is going on there

2110
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,870
if there was something there we would

2111
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,400
have heard about it possibly i mean

2112
01:11:19,270 --> 01:11:16,239
there had been claims in the past

2113
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:19,280
but with regards to uab information i

2114
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:20,239
don't think we will

2115
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:24,800
get to know 100 who's holding the keys

2116
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,880
it could be gchq as they're part of the

2117
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:28,800
five eyes

2118
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:32,000
program it could be um

2119
01:11:35,510 --> 01:11:34,400
it could be the british navy it could be

2120
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:35,520
whitehall

2121
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,199
at this moment in time we don't know it

2122
01:11:41,669 --> 01:11:38,880
could be a department we haven't even

2123
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:41,679
heard of yet

2124
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,960
yeah i am like they i i never

2125
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:46,640
hide the fact that dave and dan are the

2126
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,880
details guys i asked them for a lot of

2127
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:50,719
detail on stuff they are far better and

2128
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:52,239
i've got terrible memory and so i can

2129
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:53,679
only share a bit of an opinion on this

2130
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:54,480
one

2131
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,920
i think part of the issue is from a

2132
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:57,920
british point of view there is there is

2133
01:12:02,390 --> 01:12:00,239
no appetite whatsoever across any level

2134
01:12:03,910 --> 01:12:02,400
of politics to to discuss this topic or

2135
01:12:05,830 --> 01:12:03,920
for it to be addressed

2136
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:05,840
i would say and i don't mean this to be

2137
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:07,040
disparaging to the us

2138
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:10,080
or to complement the uk i think from a

2139
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,199
uk point of view

2140
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,040
if there was a small secret group in

2141
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:15,199
charge of this they would be far better

2142
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:16,800
at keeping it secret than it would in

2143
01:12:24,149 --> 01:12:21,520
the u.s

2144
01:12:24,550 --> 01:12:24,159
i just think the us political system is

2145
01:12:26,470 --> 01:12:24,560
like

2146
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,480
odd from a distance because in the uk

2147
01:12:29,189 --> 01:12:28,400
it's like jeremiah if you've seen

2148
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,199
futurama

2149
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:30,800
you know the two political candidates

2150
01:12:34,709 --> 01:12:33,120
that run one's bob robertson and the

2151
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,719
other ones robert bobson

2152
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:36,560
and they're just the same person but the

2153
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:38,000
us political system where you've got

2154
01:12:41,030 --> 01:12:39,440
really two parties is really weird

2155
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:41,040
whereas in the uk they all just seem to

2156
01:12:44,070 --> 01:12:42,560
talk about the exact same thing

2157
01:12:46,070 --> 01:12:44,080
but then argue about the exact same

2158
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,080
thing it's just an odd setup so

2159
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:48,400
i think we potentially would have have

2160
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:49,760
people dealing with it and i've had

2161
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:51,360
guests say to me that yeah it's actually

2162
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:52,320
being looked at

2163
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:53,920
i just think we're very good at keeping

2164
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,600
it a secret unfortunately

2165
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:57,440
whereas in the us like and that's

2166
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:58,719
something like lou and chris

2167
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,440
melon and stuff have talked about that

2168
01:13:04,950 --> 01:13:03,199
it's very compartmentalized

2169
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,960
in the us so i think there are there are

2170
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,560
more aspects of the us government that

2171
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:09,040
know bits and pieces of information

2172
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:10,400
but it's just a little bit all over the

2173
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,679
place and disorganized and that's why

2174
01:13:17,110 --> 01:13:15,600
it's so hard to abandon all together so

2175
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:17,120
i think it's probably two extremes of

2176
01:13:20,070 --> 01:13:18,320
the same spectrum

2177
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,080
so there's definitely an interest

2178
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:21,840
somewhere and someone's looking at it if

2179
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:23,600
the us have an interest the uk have an

2180
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:24,640
interest because

2181
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,920
that's how it works being the little

2182
01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:27,760
brother yeah um our little

2183
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:30,480
little sister as it feels sometimes uh

2184
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:31,360
but yeah

2185
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,800
it's something i i would say we

2186
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:34,640
definitely have but keeping it under

2187
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,679
wraps

2188
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,880
gotcha anything to add dan

2189
01:13:42,390 --> 01:13:41,280
um just release a second that i think

2190
01:13:45,030 --> 01:13:42,400
that uk us

2191
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:45,040
relationship is really vital um you know

2192
01:13:50,070 --> 01:13:46,560
in the history of uk

2193
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:50,080
ufology um we we don't have as many

2194
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:51,360
opportunities

2195
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:53,440
um throughout that history where we've

2196
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,600
recovered um

2197
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:57,520
crashcraft and debris and things like

2198
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,719
that so if there was a program

2199
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,800
it may be kept secret better but we

2200
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:05,120
probably don't have

2201
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,600
good stuff so we probably defer to our

2202
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:08,400
big brother

2203
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:11,440
which is you guys yeah and but you know

2204
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:12,640
winston churchill

2205
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,040
did send a memo that said you know can

2206
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,480
you tell me about these this

2207
01:14:20,070 --> 01:14:18,800
flying saucer thing that's got all the

2208
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,080
americans in the flat

2209
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,760
you know paraphrasing there but that's

2210
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,280
the gist of it

2211
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:26,480
and a program called the working party

2212
01:14:30,310 --> 01:14:27,440
was set up

2213
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,320
uh by sir henry tiszard i believe but

2214
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,719
that was dissolved in 1952

2215
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:34,640
saying that we've analyzed all these

2216
01:14:39,750 --> 01:14:35,840
flying sources reports

2217
01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:39,760
and there's no threat that we can see so

2218
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:43,199
we're just going to ignore it but did

2219
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,520
they

2220
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,000
that's the question look at project blue

2221
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:47,679
book said the same exact thing and now

2222
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:48,960
we're learning that

2223
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:51,920
atip was supposedly going on the entire

2224
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:52,480
time

2225
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:55,600
so yeah yeah i don't know who knows who

2226
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,000
knows

2227
01:15:00,229 --> 01:14:58,719
um well let's move on to uh strafe on

2228
01:15:00,709 --> 01:15:00,239
twitter and i'm gonna pull up a photo

2229
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:00,719
here

2230
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:03,840
bear with me for just a moment gentlemen

2231
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,199
all right boom

2232
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:09,280
does this photo look familiar to any of

2233
01:15:13,590 --> 01:15:10,239
you guys

2234
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,149
i knew it i knew it andy i knew you were

2235
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:17,679
the culprit behind this one

2236
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:20,560
um well strafe on twitter asks what are

2237
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:22,960
your guys thoughts on the calvine ufo

2238
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:23,520
file

2239
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:26,800
and the mod classifying it for another

2240
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,920
55 years what is up with that does

2241
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:31,840
anyone want to comment on that

2242
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:34,719
okay well this was the case that nick

2243
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,280
pope

2244
01:15:38,550 --> 01:15:37,520
going back to earlier would always say

2245
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:38,560
was his

2246
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:40,800
kind of family moment in while he was

2247
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,239
working there

2248
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:45,120
but according to i think it was david dr

2249
01:15:47,350 --> 01:15:46,000
david clarke

2250
01:15:50,229 --> 01:15:47,360
i think he might have mentioned it in

2251
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,239
the interview with andy that

2252
01:15:53,669 --> 01:15:52,640
those hikers who took the picture that

2253
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,679
has never been seen

2254
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,600
outside of the daily record who lost the

2255
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:57,199
negatives the daily record being a

2256
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,040
scottish newspaper

2257
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,159
um outside of that and the officials

2258
01:16:05,990 --> 01:16:03,520
that photograph has never been seen

2259
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:06,000
we've only seen like biro sketch of it i

2260
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,120
think or a pen sketch pencil sketch

2261
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:11,440
and the american government or the

2262
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,239
american

2263
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,880
secret services got so head up that this

2264
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:16,480
photo actually existed

2265
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:18,480
because it was supposed to have been of

2266
01:16:24,149 --> 01:16:21,679
a secret experimental craft

2267
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,159
and i spoke to nick cook the author of

2268
01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:25,280
hunt for zero point

2269
01:16:28,550 --> 01:16:27,360
before christmas uh the interviews going

2270
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:28,560
in the next issue

2271
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:31,440
and he kind of suggested that that was

2272
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,159
the case

2273
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:34,320
that this was something that should

2274
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:36,159
never have been seen by anyone

2275
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:39,199
outside of you know the u.s

2276
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:42,719
program plus the uh the pilots who were

2277
01:16:46,709 --> 01:16:43,840
escorting

2278
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,719
or kind of shadowing you know this

2279
01:16:48,790 --> 01:16:48,000
experimental craft when it was

2280
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:48,800
photographed

2281
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,320
so as for it being a ufo file and as for

2282
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,560
the mod

2283
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:55,920
you know keeping it secret for another

2284
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,560
50 years they've claimed it's because

2285
01:17:02,310 --> 01:17:00,800
there's people's names in there which

2286
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:02,320
who are still alive and

2287
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:04,719
they don't want to compromise national

2288
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:05,440
secrets

2289
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:07,600
or possibly the special relationship

2290
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,110
fair enough do you guys have anything to

2291
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:15,679
add about the cow vine

2292
01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:18,400
it it may not be a ufo um you know i i

2293
01:17:22,950 --> 01:17:20,239
kind of lean towards what what

2294
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:22,960
they've uh just said um he covered the

2295
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:24,719
majority of stuff but i still really

2296
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:26,719
want to see the photo you know

2297
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,719
it's the mystery of this drawing nick

2298
01:17:32,310 --> 01:17:30,480
talks about it like it's his

2299
01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,320
you know he's called the fox knowledge

2300
01:17:35,830 --> 01:17:34,560
of the uk and fox mulder had that famous

2301
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:35,840
poster on his wall

2302
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:37,280
and this was supposed to be nick's

2303
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,640
poster so i really want to see it

2304
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:42,960
i i just i would just add that again i

2305
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,080
would go with what the guy

2306
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:46,000
said and dave thanks for bringing up the

2307
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:47,040
interview as well because it was quite

2308
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:48,320
interesting when that was brought up on

2309
01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:48,719
it

2310
01:17:52,229 --> 01:17:51,520
um that's this is probably ours as in

2311
01:17:54,790 --> 01:17:52,239
human tech

2312
01:17:56,709 --> 01:17:54,800
yes it was probably the us yes it's been

2313
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:56,719
pushed away again because the us weren't

2314
01:17:59,830 --> 01:17:59,120
happy it came out um however i would

2315
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,840
like to know

2316
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,000
where that came from how did we get that

2317
01:18:06,790 --> 01:18:04,239
tech how have we got something like that

2318
01:18:08,950 --> 01:18:06,800
just floating along the scottish hills

2319
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,960
that for me then is where did we get

2320
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:10,320
that technology and that's when people

2321
01:18:13,430 --> 01:18:11,120
come out with

2322
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:13,440
oh yeah you know tr3b which is my pet

2323
01:18:16,229 --> 01:18:14,560
hate and ufology

2324
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:16,239
when people quote things that they think

2325
01:18:18,149 --> 01:18:17,280
they know what they're talking about but

2326
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:18,159
they don't

2327
01:18:21,189 --> 01:18:20,480
um this technology has come from

2328
01:18:22,870 --> 01:18:21,199
somewhere

2329
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:22,880
it's it's a hell of a leap from jet

2330
01:18:26,229 --> 01:18:24,239
engines and fuel

2331
01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,239
so there's still a fascinating point for

2332
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,600
me of yeah it's probably secret

2333
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,719
governmental tech

2334
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:31,120
yeah but that's incredible that's such a

2335
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:33,199
generational leap in technology i i

2336
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:34,640
still want to know the backstory of how

2337
01:18:37,910 --> 01:18:35,280
we've

2338
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,920
or suddenly define physics so yeah i'd

2339
01:18:42,630 --> 01:18:39,360
still want to know a lot more

2340
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,640
can you remember what year it was

2341
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:44,800
no i didn't yeah no i didn't actually

2342
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,990
well i mean well you bring up tr3b and

2343
01:18:54,229 --> 01:18:52,000
that's a good point andy is um

2344
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,239
you know the triangular ufo mystery is

2345
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:56,400
huge here in the u.s and i know it is

2346
01:19:00,709 --> 01:18:58,800
in the uk and other places as well and

2347
01:19:01,590 --> 01:19:00,719
we are supposedly hearing that one of

2348
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:01,600
these

2349
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:05,040
is transmedium that it's emerging from

2350
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:05,920
the water

2351
01:19:09,510 --> 01:19:08,960
coming out and then jetting off so i

2352
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:09,520
mean that

2353
01:19:12,709 --> 01:19:11,840
again that's a technological leap unlike

2354
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:12,719
anything

2355
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,040
we seem to possess especially back in

2356
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:18,080
the the 19 what was it the early 90s

2357
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:19,199
when they said that

2358
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,600
the explanation for every triangular ufo

2359
01:19:25,669 --> 01:19:23,520
was a stealth bomber or this or that

2360
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,679
so i do have to wonder especially when

2361
01:19:29,350 --> 01:19:27,120
people like lou and

2362
01:19:31,030 --> 01:19:29,360
and uh top gun pilots are saying not a

2363
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:31,040
chance not a chance in hell

2364
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:33,840
we have trans-medium technology yet so

2365
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:34,560
yeah

2366
01:19:37,990 --> 01:19:36,560
maybe we'll know someday what kelvin was

2367
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:38,000
but yeah um did you want to add

2368
01:19:41,510 --> 01:19:38,960
something andy

2369
01:19:43,110 --> 01:19:41,520
yeah do you remember what um chris

2370
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:43,120
mellon said to david marlar

2371
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:44,560
i've got david mahler coming on my

2372
01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,159
podcast in a few weeks who's like

2373
01:19:49,910 --> 01:19:48,159
one of the world's foremost experts in

2374
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,920
triangle ufos and he's got that really

2375
01:19:52,149 --> 01:19:50,800
cool library

2376
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:52,159
but i don't know ryan do you remember

2377
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:53,600
what he said chris mellon thought

2378
01:19:59,270 --> 01:19:56,800
triangle ufos were

2379
01:20:01,910 --> 01:19:59,280
in terms of origin no but i find it

2380
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:01,920
fascinating about the whole idea of like

2381
01:20:08,070 --> 01:20:05,760
surveying an area yeah um yeah yeah

2382
01:20:10,229 --> 01:20:08,080
that's it okay so for me i'm i'm really

2383
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:10,239
interested that chris melon

2384
01:20:14,070 --> 01:20:11,840
shared his opinion on that because

2385
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:14,080
that's not something he ever really does

2386
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:15,840
and he made a point of getting that in

2387
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:17,920
that show which was still a show it

2388
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:18,880
wasn't live that

2389
01:20:21,830 --> 01:20:20,400
do you know what i think these are

2390
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,840
because i felt when david marlar was

2391
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:22,480
talking

2392
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,760
you could see chris mellen's eyes

2393
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,520
lighting up a little bit as if

2394
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,480
this guy has hair done those things that

2395
01:20:31,910 --> 01:20:29,920
are correct

2396
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:31,920
and you could see him really desperate

2397
01:20:35,350 --> 01:20:33,679
to share and i think that was chris

2398
01:20:36,950 --> 01:20:35,360
melon just dropping as a little rare

2399
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,960
nugget of information of

2400
01:20:40,550 --> 01:20:38,880
i think these things are surveying the

2401
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:40,560
earth it's a very

2402
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,000
exact detail to to think

2403
01:20:47,830 --> 01:20:46,560
yeah absolutely and again like the

2404
01:20:50,550 --> 01:20:47,840
triangles i

2405
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:50,560
i'll tell you guys this i've been um

2406
01:20:54,470 --> 01:20:51,600
working on a big

2407
01:20:55,750 --> 01:20:54,480
article right now about a gentleman who

2408
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:55,760
saw a triangle

2409
01:21:01,110 --> 01:20:58,719
on five separate occasions over a naval

2410
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:01,120
air station here in the united states

2411
01:21:05,270 --> 01:21:03,360
never came forward tried to report it

2412
01:21:07,750 --> 01:21:05,280
once and they laughed him off

2413
01:21:09,189 --> 01:21:07,760
and uh i've been trying like hell to get

2414
01:21:11,430 --> 01:21:09,199
in touch with

2415
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,440
whether it's you know the pentagon

2416
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:13,280
spokesperson or the navy point of

2417
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:14,000
contact for

2418
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,000
press um they've been giving me the

2419
01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:17,840
runner on for months and months

2420
01:21:22,310 --> 01:21:20,560
and then finally i went to the actual

2421
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:22,320
base where this thing happened and i

2422
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,800
said

2423
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:25,520
hey guess what this guy back in these

2424
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:26,320
two years

2425
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,400
he had five separate ufo sightings over

2426
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:30,480
your base i'm gonna come forward

2427
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:33,040
with his name and everything so if you

2428
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:35,040
want to add anything to this please feel

2429
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,679
free

2430
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:37,600
and after two months of them not

2431
01:21:41,750 --> 01:21:39,760
contacting me they called me

2432
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,760
within 10 minutes after i sent that

2433
01:21:45,110 --> 01:21:43,199
message off to them

2434
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:45,120
so it's clear you know they want to keep

2435
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,560
a lid on certain things they want to

2436
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:48,880
give us the run around when it comes to

2437
01:21:53,030 --> 01:21:51,120
it could possibly be some sort of top

2438
01:21:54,390 --> 01:21:53,040
secret tech they're working on but um

2439
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,400
i'll be interested to see how that phone

2440
01:21:58,149 --> 01:21:56,639
call goes if you guys don't hear from me

2441
01:21:59,750 --> 01:21:58,159
after that phone call um

2442
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:59,760
someone's got to take the reins for

2443
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:01,920
somewhere in the skies

2444
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:04,719
can i just ask dan raised a really

2445
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:06,560
interesting point to me um before i

2446
01:22:10,149 --> 01:22:08,719
spoke to lou about transmedium travel

2447
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:10,159
and and we always hear about these

2448
01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:11,600
objects and probably knows where i'm

2449
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:12,320
going here

2450
01:22:15,430 --> 01:22:14,800
and traveling through space and in the

2451
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,440
air and

2452
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,199
under the water but um dan there's

2453
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:18,639
another one that's not talked about as

2454
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:19,760
much but

2455
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:21,760
there is some more talk coming out about

2456
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:24,400
isn't there

2457
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,560
uh yeah um solids

2458
01:22:34,870 --> 01:22:31,679
in a word um obviously we we know

2459
01:22:35,990 --> 01:22:34,880
with slide nine um that those

2460
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,000
capabilities

2461
01:22:40,149 --> 01:22:38,400
um you know summed up a kind of complete

2462
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,159
control of space-time

2463
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,960
um but the one thing that we don't talk

2464
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:44,400
about and i feel like it's because we

2465
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,280
don't

2466
01:22:48,709 --> 01:22:46,800
it's hard to get our heads around

2467
01:22:50,310 --> 01:22:48,719
because it's so fundamental to us from

2468
01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:50,320
the second that we're born that there

2469
01:22:53,990 --> 01:22:50,560
are

2470
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:54,000
solids that you can't go through but

2471
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:56,239
it it seems like and it certainly would

2472
01:22:59,510 --> 01:22:57,760
explain you know

2473
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:59,520
the the sightings of them going into

2474
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:01,120
mount haze and things like that and

2475
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:02,400
mount shasta

2476
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:05,520
um you know where there are no doors

2477
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,120
it would explain a lot really

2478
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:12,000
wow i never even thought about that man

2479
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:12,880
wow

2480
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:16,239
yeah sorry ryan that reminds me of

2481
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,440
um one of the reports in the

2482
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,600
19 late 1970s in the white welsh

2483
01:23:28,629 --> 01:23:24,000
triangle ufo flat

2484
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,639
um the landlady of the local hotel

2485
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:30,239
she was looking out of her window one

2486
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,159
day it was broad daylight middle of the

2487
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:33,280
afternoon

2488
01:23:39,270 --> 01:23:36,800
and she saw this craft kind of zip

2489
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:39,280
across some brides bay which is on the

2490
01:23:43,189 --> 01:23:40,719
west coast of

2491
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:43,199
um wales and it looked as if it was

2492
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:43,840
going to crash

2493
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:47,040
into this kind of outcrop in the middle

2494
01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:48,960
of the ocean it's called stacks rock i

2495
01:23:52,950 --> 01:23:50,239
believe

2496
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,960
and she just saw it going so fast she

2497
01:23:56,629 --> 01:23:54,960
was expecting this massive explosion and

2498
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:56,639
thought it was a plane it wasn't it just

2499
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,679
disappeared into the rock um and then

2500
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:01,440
the next thing you know she's got

2501
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:03,040
the binoculars out looking at her up

2502
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:04,320
looking for any wreckage on the ocean

2503
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:05,600
behind

2504
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:08,639
and she sees these two figures just

2505
01:24:10,950 --> 01:24:09,199
appear

2506
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,960
and start walking down this rocky

2507
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:12,239
outcrop as if it was

2508
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,760
a set of stairs and then they go into

2509
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:18,080
a little cove and then just simply

2510
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,440
disappear

2511
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,120
i mean that was one of the most

2512
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:23,600
fascinating things

2513
01:24:27,669 --> 01:24:26,719
i read in the west triangle book that

2514
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:27,679
whole

2515
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:30,080
kind of cluster of sightings and events

2516
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:31,360
that went on in wales in the

2517
01:24:35,350 --> 01:24:33,199
late 70s it doesn't really get the

2518
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,360
attention it deserves

2519
01:24:39,350 --> 01:24:37,520
yeah especially if it's doing trans

2520
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:39,360
medium and like

2521
01:24:44,070 --> 01:24:42,239
dealing with dark matter and even like

2522
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:44,080
you know the breakdown of particles

2523
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:46,320
and everything that's crazy um i'm so

2524
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,920
glad you guys brought that up it never

2525
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:49,280
even crossed my mind

2526
01:24:52,870 --> 01:24:50,800
you know yeah we're we're all talking

2527
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:52,880
about space and through the air and

2528
01:24:55,910 --> 01:24:54,719
through the ocean but what about solid

2529
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,920
matter that's

2530
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:57,920
crazy and it would explain so much of

2531
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:59,360
how these things can

2532
01:25:03,350 --> 01:25:02,000
zip in and out and disappear and and

2533
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:03,360
stuff like that so

2534
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,639
um there we go uap media uk

2535
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,800
coming up with a new observable i love

2536
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:09,679
it i love it

2537
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:12,960
um all right here's the next listener

2538
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:14,320
question i'm going to pull up one more

2539
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:15,120
share screen

2540
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,679
i love giving context for listeners

2541
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,679
please bear with me guys

2542
01:25:24,229 --> 01:25:21,280
i'ma love the technology here that's

2543
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:24,239
puts me to shame

2544
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,639
oh man i'm trying i'm not i can't say

2545
01:25:30,310 --> 01:25:27,840
i'm a pro at all

2546
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:30,320
yeah look at that mustache man right

2547
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:30,880
there

2548
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:40,390
yeah and also let's

2549
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:42,560
let's comment on how uh travis walton

2550
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:43,520
doesn't look like

2551
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:45,679
he's aged today in the past like 40

2552
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:46,960
years um

2553
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:49,040
that's a mystery of its own but that is

2554
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,159
travis walton

2555
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:51,920
for any of our viewers or listeners who

2556
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:54,080
are not aware the gentleman who the

2557
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,480
movie fire in the sky is based on

2558
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,000
um we won't go through the story

2559
01:26:02,709 --> 01:26:00,000
everyone should know it at this point

2560
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:02,719
if they don't google it um so strafe

2561
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,600
also

2562
01:26:08,709 --> 01:26:05,600
wants to know from you guys uh do you

2563
01:26:11,189 --> 01:26:08,719
think the aliens owe travis walton

2564
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:11,199
in apology for what they did to him and

2565
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:12,159
i guess kind of

2566
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:15,760
speaking on a higher level of that um

2567
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,840
the overall abduction ethical question

2568
01:26:23,270 --> 01:26:21,679
of what these beings are supposedly

2569
01:26:27,590 --> 01:26:23,280
doing to human beings

2570
01:26:30,629 --> 01:26:27,600
and uh causing extreme traumatic uh ptsd

2571
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:30,639
um physical emotional problems um what

2572
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:31,600
do you guys

2573
01:26:34,870 --> 01:26:34,000
each think of the travis walton story

2574
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:34,880
and um

2575
01:26:38,950 --> 01:26:36,639
yeah do these aliens oh this man an

2576
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:38,960
apology what do you think

2577
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:42,239
i don't i feel like they apologized yeah

2578
01:26:46,629 --> 01:26:44,800
oh god randy no no you you hardly ever

2579
01:26:49,030 --> 01:26:46,639
talk on podcast so i want you to go

2580
01:26:52,709 --> 01:26:51,189
oh we got the first squabble of the

2581
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:52,719
night i love it

2582
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,470
it's just again it's like things you

2583
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,320
don't understand so like people that go

2584
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,840
fishing don't apologize to the fish

2585
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,679
before they throw it back do they so

2586
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:05,360
um they hold it up as a prize in a

2587
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:07,040
trophy and chuck it back in the water

2588
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,520
and

2589
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,600
if you're dealing with something that

2590
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:10,800
these these beings

2591
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:13,760
maybe don't necessarily care for for us

2592
01:27:17,189 --> 01:27:15,120
and maybe that's not even a concept to

2593
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,199
them you know feelings emotions

2594
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,360
if they were biological you hear about

2595
01:27:23,510 --> 01:27:21,120
these things being potential like third

2596
01:27:25,189 --> 01:27:23,520
generation ai clones and i know that

2597
01:27:26,070 --> 01:27:25,199
gets into all sorts of different realms

2598
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,080
but

2599
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,159
it's just we always try and understand

2600
01:27:32,629 --> 01:27:30,560
this stuff from a human perspective

2601
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:32,639
when it doesn't seem that we're dealing

2602
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:34,880
with humans so why should we expect them

2603
01:27:38,229 --> 01:27:36,000
to behave

2604
01:27:40,870 --> 01:27:38,239
or or do what we do or understand what

2605
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,880
we would do you know but

2606
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:42,639
i mean i'm sure it wasn't nice and i

2607
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:44,719
totally i i love this story

2608
01:27:48,149 --> 01:27:46,480
um it's really unfortunate what happened

2609
01:27:50,470 --> 01:27:48,159
to him it's it's incredible

2610
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,480
um and i i absolutely believe something

2611
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:52,639
like that did happen to travis walton

2612
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,679
but own them an apology it's it's

2613
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:57,440
you know you can't compare it's apples

2614
01:28:00,870 --> 01:27:59,280
and oranges yeah

2615
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,880
well dan i mean i'd love for you to

2616
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:02,400
speak on i think i know where you're

2617
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,360
heading with this

2618
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:05,520
uh they did apologize in a way so yeah

2619
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:08,239
please expand on that

2620
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,880
um i think travis would be the first to

2621
01:28:14,070 --> 01:28:12,639
admit that what he did was foolish

2622
01:28:16,390 --> 01:28:14,080
running towards the ship

2623
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:16,400
um it certainly seemed like some

2624
01:28:20,550 --> 01:28:17,520
accident happened

2625
01:28:22,229 --> 01:28:20,560
and he was harmed and for me

2626
01:28:23,669 --> 01:28:22,239
i feel like they apologized already

2627
01:28:25,189 --> 01:28:23,679
because they could have left him there

2628
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,199
and they didn't they took him away and

2629
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,199
they returned him safely and

2630
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:29,120
it changed his life and it's a traumatic

2631
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:30,239
experience

2632
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:33,600
but given the events that took place

2633
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,040
i feel like they did help him out yeah

2634
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:40,000
i'd have to agree anything dave on that

2635
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:41,600
well i'll just say that fire in the sky

2636
01:28:44,390 --> 01:28:42,239
was probably

2637
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:44,400
one of the few films that have terrified

2638
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:45,679
me beyond

2639
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:48,000
my core because i don't think i've

2640
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:49,120
watched it all the way through

2641
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:52,960
since my first watch but yeah the story

2642
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,679
you know obviously the movie elaborated

2643
01:29:01,110 --> 01:28:57,280
on some details and exaggerated

2644
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,120
a lot more but the actual story of him

2645
01:29:04,629 --> 01:29:03,760
you know those his vlogging mates who we

2646
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,639
were with

2647
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:07,040
they were just as terrified as he was

2648
01:29:11,510 --> 01:29:08,639
and they just went back

2649
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:11,520
straight down into town and all the

2650
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:12,880
stress that they went through you know

2651
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:14,400
having to go through light detector

2652
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:14,960
tests

2653
01:29:21,510 --> 01:29:18,239
and interrogation by officials local

2654
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:21,520
and state and then for travis to sign up

2655
01:29:27,110 --> 01:29:23,360
five days later with

2656
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,270
you know that time of year as well you

2657
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,520
don't survive five days by yourself

2658
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:34,080
in the wilderness because if i remember

2659
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:35,520
it was kind of

2660
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:38,960
it was late autumn time wasn't it

2661
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,400
from what i recall yeah yeah

2662
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,080
yeah i mean he is probably one of the

2663
01:29:49,270 --> 01:29:46,880
most genuine people

2664
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:49,280
in this you know whole field of

2665
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,480
evolution

2666
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:52,560
you know not once has he tried to make

2667
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:53,840
any money at this he's always been

2668
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,960
humble about

2669
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,880
it you know you talk to him in person

2670
01:30:00,950 --> 01:29:58,719
and you know he's just very down to

2671
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:00,960
earth he just wants to tell his story

2672
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,120
and it's a bit like um christopher

2673
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:05,120
bledsoe in a way as well

2674
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,480
i mean this is a guy who had an

2675
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,320
experience he was

2676
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,400
down on his luck he had to sell his

2677
01:30:14,229 --> 01:30:11,840
company he was depressed he was

2678
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:14,239
suffering from crohn's disease

2679
01:30:18,790 --> 01:30:17,679
had this experience um

2680
01:30:21,510 --> 01:30:18,800
you know why he was taking some

2681
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:21,520
contractors out fishing

2682
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:23,199
wanting to get away from it because he

2683
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:25,360
was you know so depressed and he really

2684
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:26,239
just

2685
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:27,360
you know he couldn't be bothered with

2686
01:30:32,310 --> 01:30:29,600
the fish and then he had this experience

2687
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:32,320
at four and a half hours missing time

2688
01:30:35,910 --> 01:30:32,960
got back

2689
01:30:37,590 --> 01:30:35,920
he found that his son was missing his uh

2690
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:37,600
son christopher jr

2691
01:30:41,590 --> 01:30:39,920
um his son has had a similar experience

2692
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,600
but then christopher bledsoe

2693
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,960
you know the next day he's found out his

2694
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,639
crohn's disease has been healed

2695
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:47,040
you know he's not in pain anymore he's

2696
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:49,440
got a kind of a new outlook on life

2697
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:51,840
and i think travis and chris have like

2698
01:30:56,310 --> 01:30:53,679
the same kind of

2699
01:30:57,669 --> 01:30:56,320
vulnerability about them as well you

2700
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,679
know they want to tell their story but

2701
01:31:01,350 --> 01:30:58,800
at the same time they're

2702
01:31:02,229 --> 01:31:01,360
afraid of telling their story because of

2703
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:02,239
the stigma

2704
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,040
that is attached to this thought you

2705
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:07,120
know abduction stories in general

2706
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,800
i think that's something we forget when

2707
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:11,440
we concentrate on the nuts and bolts or

2708
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:12,960
the metaphysics of everything that's

2709
01:31:15,990 --> 01:31:14,719
been going on in the last three years

2710
01:31:18,709 --> 01:31:16,000
you know since the limits videos have

2711
01:31:19,430 --> 01:31:18,719
come out but the abduction side of

2712
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:19,440
things

2713
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:22,560
you know it's been pushed aside somewhat

2714
01:31:26,629 --> 01:31:25,120
but there are still people being

2715
01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:26,639
abducted and having experiences as you

2716
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:28,400
well know

2717
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,199
absolutely i mean i think that's kind of

2718
01:31:33,669 --> 01:31:33,040
the thing i try to stress to people is

2719
01:31:36,149 --> 01:31:33,679
um

2720
01:31:37,270 --> 01:31:36,159
while trained observers such as military

2721
01:31:38,870 --> 01:31:37,280
pilots or

2722
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:38,880
or individuals like that while those

2723
01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:42,080
cases are super compelling and um

2724
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:44,000
probably the most evidence in data

2725
01:31:47,270 --> 01:31:45,840
driven cases we have

2726
01:31:49,189 --> 01:31:47,280
um for every one of those there's a

2727
01:31:51,350 --> 01:31:49,199
hundred civilians out there

2728
01:31:53,189 --> 01:31:51,360
having experiences everything from a ufo

2729
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:53,199
sighting to claimed abductions

2730
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,719
and yeah these things again they um

2731
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:58,560
they're happening they continue to

2732
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,320
happen um

2733
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:02,639
whether you look at it from a strictly

2734
01:32:07,189 --> 01:32:05,280
physical level of yeah this person was

2735
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,199
abducted by aliens or you're looking at

2736
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:09,600
it from a completely psychological level

2737
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,000
as well of um maybe it's something

2738
01:32:17,350 --> 01:32:13,920
entirely different than a

2739
01:32:18,709 --> 01:32:17,360
et kidnapping them um it's fascinating

2740
01:32:20,629 --> 01:32:18,719
and it's scary and it's

2741
01:32:21,990 --> 01:32:20,639
it's everything in between so no dave

2742
01:32:22,629 --> 01:32:22,000
i'm glad you bring that up because a lot

2743
01:32:24,629 --> 01:32:22,639
of people think

2744
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:24,639
oh yeah abductions are something from

2745
01:32:27,910 --> 01:32:26,480
the past like they don't happen anymore

2746
01:32:31,750 --> 01:32:27,920
it was kind of uh

2747
01:32:33,430 --> 01:32:31,760
you know a cultural zeitgeist thing um

2748
01:32:35,430 --> 01:32:33,440
i'm still getting reports and emails

2749
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:35,440
from people claiming these things so

2750
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:38,000
um i take everyone i think every story

2751
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,639
has

2752
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:40,880
some sort of value in this overall

2753
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:41,840
conversation

2754
01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:43,760
so yeah yeah i think that's a good point

2755
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:45,199
to stress that these things are still

2756
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:45,760
happening

2757
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:47,120
we're just not hearing about them as

2758
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:49,600
much because we have all this stuff out

2759
01:32:53,510 --> 01:32:50,639
front right now

2760
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:53,520
with military and whatever ttsa has done

2761
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,159
and everything

2762
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:56,320
so yeah and i'm glad you know something

2763
01:33:00,149 --> 01:32:57,840
like unidentified

2764
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,159
took the risk and covered abductions in

2765
01:33:05,350 --> 01:33:02,159
their last episode of their show

2766
01:33:07,510 --> 01:33:05,360
um i think it truly shows that there is

2767
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:07,520
a mystery here and we have to at least

2768
01:33:10,390 --> 01:33:08,000
look at

2769
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:10,400
it so yeah yeah if you think like some

2770
01:33:12,870 --> 01:33:11,040
of the most

2771
01:33:14,390 --> 01:33:12,880
famous cases in ufology have been

2772
01:33:15,990 --> 01:33:14,400
abductions you've got travis walton

2773
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:16,000
there's the betty and barney hill case

2774
01:33:19,910 --> 01:33:17,120
as well

2775
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:19,920
yeah yeah well yeah this guy right here

2776
01:33:23,669 --> 01:33:20,840
too

2777
01:33:25,110 --> 01:33:23,679
yeah talk about terrifying

2778
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,120
that book cover will never leave my

2779
01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:27,840
memory um well let's see what else do i

2780
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:29,920
have here for you guys oh here's a good

2781
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:30,480
one

2782
01:33:35,830 --> 01:33:33,920
so flynn on twitter asks um object

2783
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:35,840
to phenomenon and i believe he's

2784
01:33:39,990 --> 01:33:37,840
referring to ufo to uap

2785
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:40,000
is an interesting change in descriptive

2786
01:33:42,950 --> 01:33:41,280
terms he was

2787
01:33:44,870 --> 01:33:42,960
i should have just read continued

2788
01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:44,880
reading the question uh the former

2789
01:33:48,550 --> 01:33:46,400
implying a sighting

2790
01:33:50,149 --> 01:33:48,560
of mass whereas phenomenon implies

2791
01:33:52,790 --> 01:33:50,159
mystery and more importantly

2792
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:52,800
less threatening um what are your guys

2793
01:33:57,830 --> 01:33:54,639
takes on going from ufo

2794
01:33:59,470 --> 01:33:57,840
to uap and i guess more importantly our

2795
01:34:02,550 --> 01:33:59,480
next question from

2796
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:02,560
tsarsource6 on twitter asks do you think

2797
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:03,280
the others

2798
01:34:06,390 --> 01:34:05,840
are a threat so first your thoughts on

2799
01:34:10,790 --> 01:34:06,400
ua

2800
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:10,800
this kind of

2801
01:34:14,149 --> 01:34:13,360
threat i don't even want to use the word

2802
01:34:16,229 --> 01:34:14,159
narrative

2803
01:34:18,070 --> 01:34:16,239
that i think ttsa has painted because i

2804
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:18,080
don't really think they have um

2805
01:34:21,750 --> 01:34:20,800
it's a potential threat but um i'm gonna

2806
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:21,760
shut up now

2807
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:24,080
andy what do you think brother ufo to

2808
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:24,800
uap

2809
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,440
and are we dealing with a threat to our

2810
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,440
our world

2811
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:33,199
fm if some mysterious cloak stranger was

2812
01:34:37,110 --> 01:34:34,960
hanging about outside your house

2813
01:34:38,149 --> 01:34:37,120
every night never doing any harm just

2814
01:34:40,070 --> 01:34:38,159
hanging about it

2815
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:40,080
now and again appearing to leap over

2816
01:34:43,510 --> 01:34:42,159
your roof and landing the other side and

2817
01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:43,520
just doing things that you weren't too

2818
01:34:46,149 --> 01:34:45,040
sure why they were doing them behaving

2819
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:46,159
in an odd way

2820
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:49,119
again never harming you your family you

2821
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,239
would phone the police

2822
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:52,320
you would feel unsafe you would feel

2823
01:34:55,990 --> 01:34:53,520
insecure

2824
01:34:58,790 --> 01:34:56,000
now imagine it's not you imagine it's a

2825
01:35:00,390 --> 01:34:58,800
u.s nuclear base or a uk nuclear base or

2826
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:00,400
a russian submarine

2827
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:04,719
or whatever they feel insecure they feel

2828
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:06,880
they have no power to stop whatever may

2829
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:07,760
happen

2830
01:35:11,750 --> 01:35:10,320
this these objects are doing things they

2831
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:11,760
could only imagine how they're doing

2832
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:12,400
them

2833
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,679
um so yes that that's a threat it's

2834
01:35:19,910 --> 01:35:18,080
people keep thinking threat as in they

2835
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,920
expect these two attackers

2836
01:35:23,270 --> 01:35:21,679
now that stranger outside my house isn't

2837
01:35:24,870 --> 01:35:23,280
going to attack me i don't know that but

2838
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,880
i just have to go with my worst

2839
01:35:28,870 --> 01:35:26,560
case scenario that what if they do what

2840
01:35:30,390 --> 01:35:28,880
would i do and you start forming in your

2841
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:30,400
head a plan of how you would defend and

2842
01:35:32,870 --> 01:35:31,440
how you would deal with that because

2843
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:32,880
that's just human nature

2844
01:35:37,109 --> 01:35:34,960
so the word threat like you say it has

2845
01:35:39,669 --> 01:35:37,119
has been taken well out of context

2846
01:35:40,830 --> 01:35:39,679
and yes to be bluntly these these things

2847
01:35:45,510 --> 01:35:40,840
are a threat

2848
01:35:49,590 --> 01:35:47,590
so i i thought i'd frame the the

2849
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:49,600
question in an interesting way earlier

2850
01:35:52,550 --> 01:35:50,239
today

2851
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:52,560
um and online i asked people who were

2852
01:35:55,910 --> 01:35:53,920
watching one division

2853
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:55,920
if they thought wanda was a potential

2854
01:35:59,189 --> 01:35:57,760
threat um and i got some really

2855
01:36:02,629 --> 01:35:59,199
interesting responses

2856
01:36:04,470 --> 01:36:02,639
because a lot of it um

2857
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:04,480
a lot of people were making their choice

2858
01:36:08,390 --> 01:36:05,840
on yes or no

2859
01:36:09,030 --> 01:36:08,400
based on wanda's motivation and of

2860
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,040
course

2861
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:11,360
her motivation's a mystery and

2862
01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,880
especially with the phenomenon the

2863
01:36:19,030 --> 01:36:14,960
motivation is a mystery

2864
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:19,040
so until we know why they're here and

2865
01:36:23,350 --> 01:36:20,800
what the interactions mean and what they

2866
01:36:25,750 --> 01:36:23,360
could be doing to us and so on so forth

2867
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:25,760
we've gotta handle it with kid gloves

2868
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:26,639
you know

2869
01:36:31,510 --> 01:36:29,840
we we can't be picking up microwaves and

2870
01:36:33,189 --> 01:36:31,520
taking them apart because

2871
01:36:34,709 --> 01:36:33,199
there might be something in the in there

2872
01:36:37,750 --> 01:36:34,719
that kills us you know

2873
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:37,760
but it doesn't make it a weapon yet we

2874
01:36:40,070 --> 01:36:38,000
would

2875
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,080
react to that in that situation as if it

2876
01:36:44,149 --> 01:36:42,560
was when it was something a lot more

2877
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,159
you know mundane like something that

2878
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:46,159
cooks food um

2879
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,800
there's a huge huge potential of

2880
01:36:51,910 --> 01:36:50,320
technology and

2881
01:36:53,510 --> 01:36:51,920
paradigm shift change for the human

2882
01:36:56,470 --> 01:36:53,520
species in this subject

2883
01:36:57,669 --> 01:36:56,480
but we've got to go careful for that

2884
01:37:00,870 --> 01:36:57,679
very reason

2885
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:00,880
so i think it is a potential threat but

2886
01:37:05,189 --> 01:37:02,880
that doesn't mean that we have to

2887
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:05,199
be on the offensive towards it we can

2888
01:37:10,470 --> 01:37:07,040
just be considerate

2889
01:37:11,590 --> 01:37:10,480
right and i i'll only expand on that a

2890
01:37:14,470 --> 01:37:11,600
little by

2891
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:14,480
saying what uh leslie kane i think wrote

2892
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:16,480
so beautifully in her book ufos

2893
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,760
when dealing with something like the

2894
01:37:22,229 --> 01:37:19,679
tehran ufo incident

2895
01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:22,239
or uh even fravor you know chasing these

2896
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:22,880
things

2897
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:26,639
as it's not so much even this uap or ufo

2898
01:37:30,629 --> 01:37:28,320
that is the threat but it's how we

2899
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:30,639
as human beings react and respond to

2900
01:37:33,430 --> 01:37:32,239
them um which is kind of what you're

2901
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,440
saying of like

2902
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:35,520
we could start you know if this thing's

2903
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:37,119
over a nuclear facility

2904
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,960
and we're sending things up there to try

2905
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,159
to you know

2906
01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:41,840
fire on it or something we could start a

2907
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:43,360
nuclear war on

2908
01:37:46,709 --> 01:37:45,360
our actions alone having nothing to do

2909
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:46,719
with this ufo

2910
01:37:50,229 --> 01:37:47,760
so i think you're right i think the

2911
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:50,239
potential threat actually comes from our

2912
01:37:52,790 --> 01:37:51,040
um

2913
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,800
inability to know what we're dealing

2914
01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:54,320
with um

2915
01:37:59,830 --> 01:37:57,280
the other end of that is a threat of the

2916
01:38:02,149 --> 01:37:59,840
stigma behind reporting a ufo

2917
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:02,159
you know if we don't report it it's

2918
01:38:05,990 --> 01:38:03,760
still going to be a threat and if our

2919
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:06,000
pilots aren't reporting these things

2920
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,719
then anything could happen so i think

2921
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:09,760
the threat really does

2922
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:13,679
lay somewhere within our reactions

2923
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,159
to it i don't know am i am i crazy dave

2924
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,080
what do you think

2925
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,880
no because i'm going to quote a phrase

2926
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:22,800
from cool runnings

2927
01:38:27,350 --> 01:38:25,679
believe it or not the bobsled film i

2928
01:38:27,910 --> 01:38:27,360
knew cool runnings was going to come up

2929
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:27,920
in this

2930
01:38:31,189 --> 01:38:30,560
conversation i didn't know how but um

2931
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:31,199
please

2932
01:38:35,430 --> 01:38:33,760
oh yeah you know got a shoe on him

2933
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:35,440
there's a there's a line in that i said

2934
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,880
people are always afraid of what's

2935
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,400
different

2936
01:38:41,990 --> 01:38:40,159
and that can be applied to anything i

2937
01:38:42,629 --> 01:38:42,000
mean because we don't understand it as

2938
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,639
dan and andy

2939
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:45,119
said we are naturally going to be wary

2940
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,920
of it

2941
01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:47,360
you know our military's going to be wary

2942
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:48,880
of it because they don't understand it

2943
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:51,360
they don't know what it's capable of

2944
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:54,960
they don't know how to defend say

2945
01:38:58,629 --> 01:38:57,520
a carrier group or a nuclear

2946
01:39:01,669 --> 01:38:58,639
installation

2947
01:39:02,390 --> 01:39:01,679
or a base or a city or a town or

2948
01:39:05,910 --> 01:39:02,400
anything like that

2949
01:39:06,950 --> 01:39:05,920
we have no idea what these things are

2950
01:39:09,669 --> 01:39:06,960
capable of

2951
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,679
but that doesn't mean that they are an

2952
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:11,040
immediate threat

2953
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,800
there are a potential threat sure i mean

2954
01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:14,960
we're not talking independence day here

2955
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:18,159
you know this is a rival more or less

2956
01:39:22,470 --> 01:39:20,800
you know we have things flying around

2957
01:39:23,990 --> 01:39:22,480
our skies

2958
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:24,000
going into our oceans and then going

2959
01:39:27,830 --> 01:39:26,159
back into this into space

2960
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,840
we don't know what they are they've

2961
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:29,600
never made that clear to us

2962
01:39:32,709 --> 01:39:31,760
and they may never make it clear to us

2963
01:39:34,470 --> 01:39:32,719
what they are

2964
01:39:36,070 --> 01:39:34,480
they may just be going about their

2965
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:36,080
business and we just happen to be in the

2966
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:37,360
way

2967
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:38,639
but i think the first part of your

2968
01:39:42,390 --> 01:39:41,040
question you know to switch from ufo to

2969
01:39:45,830 --> 01:39:42,400
uap

2970
01:39:48,550 --> 01:39:45,840
um you know unidentified flying

2971
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:48,560
object suggests something tangible it's

2972
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:49,760
something solid

2973
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,840
it's matter that we can associate with

2974
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:55,600
it's you know a craft or a vehicle of

2975
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:56,639
some sort

2976
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:59,119
that our mind is telling us is a 3d

2977
01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,760
object

2978
01:40:04,070 --> 01:40:02,000
that we can interact with you know we

2979
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:04,080
can open a door we can go inside

2980
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:06,480
we can pilot it if we want to or if we

2981
01:40:09,590 --> 01:40:08,000
knew how to

2982
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,600
switch into an identified area from

2983
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:11,679
anonymous

2984
01:40:16,550 --> 01:40:14,880
it's more saying that we don't know what

2985
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:16,560
it is

2986
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:19,920
it's probably not what we used to think

2987
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,119
it was

2988
01:40:25,510 --> 01:40:23,760
and at the same time it's kind of

2989
01:40:27,030 --> 01:40:25,520
tricking us into see well not tricking

2990
01:40:28,550 --> 01:40:27,040
us but

2991
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,560
it's given us something different to

2992
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:30,960
think about whereas before it was just

2993
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:32,880
associating itself with our knowledge of

2994
01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:34,480
pop culture at the time you know all the

2995
01:40:39,430 --> 01:40:36,719
pop novels or the science fiction b

2996
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:39,440
movies uh platinum into space for

2997
01:40:44,550 --> 01:40:42,080
example the day the earth stood still

2998
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:44,560
you know we had an idea of what flying

2999
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:46,239
sources should look like from pop

3000
01:40:49,830 --> 01:40:47,280
culture

3001
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:49,840
and that kind of developed over time

3002
01:40:52,950 --> 01:40:51,760
where

3003
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:52,960
we don't know what we're dealing with

3004
01:40:58,950 --> 01:40:55,840
anymore and so it's just giving us

3005
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:58,960
something else to try and think about

3006
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,280
and to talk about as we are doing

3007
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:02,960
absolutely having these

3008
01:41:07,109 --> 01:41:05,280
conversations where we can stretch out

3009
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:07,119
and get weird with it and i think that's

3010
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:07,440
why

3011
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,480
i really enjoy uap because

3012
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:13,440
it broadens what this all could be so

3013
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:14,080
much

3014
01:41:17,910 --> 01:41:15,920
and i think you know we i always go back

3015
01:41:19,189 --> 01:41:17,920
to and everyone knows this by now

3016
01:41:20,950 --> 01:41:19,199
they're probably sick of hearing it

3017
01:41:23,750 --> 01:41:20,960
you know the us air force coining the

3018
01:41:25,750 --> 01:41:23,760
term ufo to kind of downplay

3019
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,760
the high strangeness aspect to a lot of

3020
01:41:28,550 --> 01:41:27,920
these reports that were coming to them

3021
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,560
and

3022
01:41:31,430 --> 01:41:29,840
you know it's just an object we'll

3023
01:41:32,870 --> 01:41:31,440
figure out what it was don't worry about

3024
01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:32,880
it we got this

3025
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,840
but now moving to phenomena that could

3026
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:37,119
mean anything

3027
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:38,560
and that's why i think it was so cool to

3028
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,159
hear someone like lou say

3029
01:41:44,070 --> 01:41:42,800
uh talk about the mankind and mankind's

3030
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,080
on your interview andy

3031
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,280
is um you know expanding the questions

3032
01:41:51,590 --> 01:41:49,920
i think we haven't figured out what the

3033
01:41:54,470 --> 01:41:51,600
[\h__\h] these things are

3034
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:54,480
in the last 75 years so let's ask new

3035
01:41:57,030 --> 01:41:55,280
questions

3036
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:57,040
instead of keep trying to find that

3037
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:58,320
flying saucer

3038
01:42:03,189 --> 01:42:01,199
it's clearly something far more

3039
01:42:05,270 --> 01:42:03,199
mysterious than just that so

3040
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:05,280
uh that's my little soapbox moment i

3041
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:06,480
don't know if you guys want to

3042
01:42:10,709 --> 01:42:09,119
expand on that at all i would just say

3043
01:42:12,830 --> 01:42:10,719
that we can't all be right but we could

3044
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:12,840
definitely all be wrong as to what they

3045
01:42:16,709 --> 01:42:14,080
are

3046
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:16,719
that's such a good way to put them in um

3047
01:42:19,830 --> 01:42:18,239
all right well these

3048
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:19,840
i'm going to merge these two questions

3049
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:22,080
together to kind of bring us back to uap

3050
01:42:26,790 --> 01:42:22,960
media

3051
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:26,800
uk uh border750 on twitter asks

3052
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:29,920
where should the focus in 2021 be

3053
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:32,560
aimed towards when it comes to this

3054
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,119
topic

3055
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:35,040
in your opinions and is there one

3056
01:42:38,390 --> 01:42:36,400
particular area

3057
01:42:40,070 --> 01:42:38,400
that everyone should get behind or

3058
01:42:40,950 --> 01:42:40,080
multiple avenues that are going to be

3059
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,960
just as

3060
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,960
effective so i don't know if that plays

3061
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:44,000
into uap

3062
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,000
media uk at all but yeah where do you

3063
01:42:51,510 --> 01:42:48,800
guys think our focus should be in 2021

3064
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:51,520
we seem to be making a lot of strides as

3065
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:52,480
the years go on

3066
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:54,840
so anyone who wants to pick up on that

3067
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,280
one i think as dan said earlier you know

3068
01:43:01,109 --> 01:42:59,440
we have to get in touch with

3069
01:43:02,629 --> 01:43:01,119
you know your representatives your local

3070
01:43:05,109 --> 01:43:02,639
members of parliament

3071
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:05,119
people who can push this conversation

3072
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,080
forward for us

3073
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,480
because you know the higher ups aren't

3074
01:43:12,310 --> 01:43:10,320
going to listen to

3075
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,320
you know the people on the street i mean

3076
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:13,760
whenever they ever

3077
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,119
let's be fair um so we need to

3078
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:18,960
get into those channels and get the

3079
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,440
conversation going up the ladder

3080
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,679
i think and um you know one of the

3081
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,159
offshoots of uap media is going to be

3082
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:28,880
um we're going to take the hashtag and

3083
01:43:33,510 --> 01:43:31,119
uap secrecy

3084
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,520
and develop that a bit more so that's

3085
01:43:36,709 --> 01:43:35,119
going to be kind of

3086
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,719
more like the call to action side of it

3087
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:38,960
whereas european media is going to be

3088
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,400
the informative side of things

3089
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:45,040
awesome well i mean you you actually

3090
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:46,639
touched on something i did want to bring

3091
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:47,520
up to

3092
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:49,679
david um andreas over at the

3093
01:43:53,189 --> 01:43:50,960
unidentified

3094
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,199
um i was talking to him earlier in

3095
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:55,119
conjunction with adam as well

3096
01:44:00,550 --> 01:43:58,400
of um and uap

3097
01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,560
secrecy i think this is a wonderful

3098
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:02,239
wonderful idea they've been working on

3099
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:03,520
this for a long time

3100
01:44:06,790 --> 01:44:05,760
and they put together this awesome uh

3101
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:06,800
google drive

3102
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:09,840
where anyone can go and and cherry-pick

3103
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,360
certain videos that have been in the

3104
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:13,040
media about ufos being

3105
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:16,080
taken seriously or articles or even here

3106
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,600
in the us we now have a um a template of

3107
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:21,840
how to reach out to your representatives

3108
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:23,679
so all you have to do

3109
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:26,560
is go put your name in the date sign it

3110
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,679
the rest is done

3111
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:30,000
for you so i mean that's amazing and i

3112
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:30,800
know that we're

3113
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:31,920
we're going to have something very

3114
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,000
similar um to send to parliament

3115
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,639
as well in the uk um so i did want to

3116
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:38,639
stress the work being done by andreas

3117
01:44:44,709 --> 01:44:42,239
and adam in terms of nuap secrecy is

3118
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,719
amazing um but what about this other

3119
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:46,080
thing i want to get your guys thoughts

3120
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,719
on this

3121
01:44:51,109 --> 01:44:49,360
the uh the big phone home this big time

3122
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,119
where we're gonna try to just

3123
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,199
inundate these representatives with

3124
01:44:56,310 --> 01:44:54,800
phone calls and emails

3125
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:56,320
um is this something that you guys

3126
01:45:00,470 --> 01:44:58,080
personally want to be a part of when it

3127
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:00,480
comes to uap media uk

3128
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:03,440
yeah absolutely um i've already been in

3129
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:04,560
touch with uh

3130
01:45:09,830 --> 01:45:08,239
lou uh twitter handle lou angelis

3131
01:45:11,590 --> 01:45:09,840
um he's gonna have to forgive me i can't

3132
01:45:14,709 --> 01:45:11,600
remember his surname um

3133
01:45:18,070 --> 01:45:14,719
but he he was uh pointed

3134
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:18,080
to by uh alejandro

3135
01:45:22,470 --> 01:45:20,639
for me um so i sent him a message and we

3136
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:22,480
hope we'll be able to communicate

3137
01:45:27,109 --> 01:45:25,440
um he had lu on his show and they spoke

3138
01:45:30,629 --> 01:45:27,119
about

3139
01:45:34,070 --> 01:45:30,639
maybe coordinating on writing

3140
01:45:35,830 --> 01:45:34,080
a form letter that lou and maybe chris

3141
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:35,840
mallon had helped kind of form

3142
01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:38,239
which would be bloody fantastic quite

3143
01:45:41,270 --> 01:45:39,119
frankly

3144
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:41,280
um just because we know that you know

3145
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:43,119
they're the ninjas of doing that aren't

3146
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,880
they um

3147
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:46,400
chris malone wrote the language that's

3148
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,320
in the that got into the bill

3149
01:45:53,669 --> 01:45:51,440
that's us getting this report so yeah

3150
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:53,679
i think it's a great idea and we we've

3151
01:45:58,629 --> 01:45:55,440
all seen over the past few weeks how

3152
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:58,639
just gamestop stock going up in price

3153
01:46:02,709 --> 01:45:59,280
has been

3154
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:02,719
all over the media so if we can just get

3155
01:46:08,550 --> 01:46:06,320
enough people involved in this

3156
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:08,560
then i i think we'll we'll really make a

3157
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:10,080
statement and and make

3158
01:46:14,950 --> 01:46:13,600
people realize not not just politicians

3159
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:14,960
but also people watching

3160
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:18,000
hold on something's going on here i'm

3161
01:46:21,990 --> 01:46:19,199
gonna go learn about it

3162
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:22,000
and that's where someone like uap media

3163
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,440
comes in i'd say

3164
01:46:26,950 --> 01:46:25,360
yeah because we do have a download link

3165
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:26,960
for you know

3166
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:29,840
uk based people to download the template

3167
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:30,480
letter

3168
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:32,880
to contact their member of parliament i

3169
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,800
mean that's something that adam

3170
01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:36,960
you know drew up so we've got that on

3171
01:46:39,750 --> 01:46:38,000
the front page

3172
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,760
and you know there's a contact form as

3173
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:41,600
well it's been taken up

3174
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:44,639
um by a friend of ours in ireland who's

3175
01:46:48,149 --> 01:46:46,719
contacted the irish

3176
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:48,159
minister of finance which has been

3177
01:46:53,109 --> 01:46:50,400
passed on to

3178
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:53,119
um i think it was the irish kind of

3179
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:54,639
climate

3180
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,560
minister which is good and we also um

3181
01:47:01,830 --> 01:47:00,159
there was a guy in france as well who

3182
01:47:02,550 --> 01:47:01,840
got in touch with us and asked us if we

3183
01:47:06,790 --> 01:47:02,560
could

3184
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,800
translate it into french

3185
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,880
so it's tailored towards you know the

3186
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:10,400
french government as well so

3187
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:12,080
already it's starting to pick up this

3188
01:47:16,070 --> 01:47:14,320
momentum which is hopefully going to

3189
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:16,080
start spreading about and with the big

3190
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,320
phone home and you ap secrecy

3191
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:20,960
you know this is just the right time to

3192
01:47:23,189 --> 01:47:21,760
take

3193
01:47:25,350 --> 01:47:23,199
you know check the ball and go to the

3194
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:25,360
end zoners yeah

3195
01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:28,560
there's baseball players say yeah yeah

3196
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:31,280
that's so exciting to hear that other uh

3197
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:32,320
people in other

3198
01:47:35,350 --> 01:47:34,080
countries or nations are like yeah can

3199
01:47:38,390 --> 01:47:35,360
we just translate this

3200
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:38,400
because we all know like if it's already

3201
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:39,199
there

3202
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:41,920
and you just gotta fill your name out

3203
01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:42,480
done

3204
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:44,159
that's gonna make all the difference i

3205
01:47:46,709 --> 01:47:45,840
think for people as well it's like oh i

3206
01:47:48,709 --> 01:47:46,719
have to like

3207
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,719
hand write my own letter and send it to

3208
01:47:52,310 --> 01:47:50,080
my rep yeah you can

3209
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:52,320
like that's an awesome thing to do but

3210
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:53,840
if you don't want to do that we've got

3211
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:55,119
this for you right here

3212
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:56,719
and like you said once that starts

3213
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,320
spreading um

3214
01:48:01,350 --> 01:48:00,800
the possibilities are endless so yeah

3215
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:01,360
that's

3216
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:04,639
our focus should be

3217
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:08,320
in 2021 to continue these efforts for

3218
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:10,080
advocacy for um

3219
01:48:15,830 --> 01:48:13,440
for for a call to action as civilians

3220
01:48:18,629 --> 01:48:15,840
um yeah is that what we should be

3221
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,639
focusing on i guess moving forward

3222
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:20,639
uh uh just to give a little shout out

3223
01:48:23,030 --> 01:48:22,320
dan you mentioned lou it's a louis

3224
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:23,040
humanness

3225
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:25,040
from our jimenez from the unidentified

3226
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:26,880
celebrity review and he's just had his

3227
01:48:29,270 --> 01:48:27,360
uh

3228
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:29,280
interview with luilazondo as well so lou

3229
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:31,040
and lou um

3230
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:33,679
dave and dan and adam they do the hard

3231
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:35,040
work in uap media

3232
01:48:38,550 --> 01:48:37,600
um i i spend six months to do write one

3233
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,560
paragraph so

3234
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:40,239
listen i'll always give those guys a

3235
01:48:43,189 --> 01:48:41,440
shout out is doing all the hard work

3236
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:43,199
they are literally the brains and

3237
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:44,800
and the work behind it i just come along

3238
01:48:50,149 --> 01:48:48,080
now and again and do a podcast

3239
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:50,159
so the guys deserve the props and the

3240
01:48:52,950 --> 01:48:51,440
writing and the work they're doing to

3241
01:48:53,990 --> 01:48:52,960
get contactless together are all

3242
01:48:55,510 --> 01:48:54,000
absolutely phenomenal so

3243
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:55,520
that's just my thank you to those guys

3244
01:48:59,510 --> 01:48:57,520
that do all that um

3245
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,520
yeah what they've said about contacting

3246
01:49:03,750 --> 01:49:01,280
representatives either side of the

3247
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,760
the you know the ocean is is fantastic

3248
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:04,960
for for me though

3249
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,679
as well as all of that i i tend to think

3250
01:49:10,950 --> 01:49:09,119
in next steps

3251
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,960
for me the task force report is that the

3252
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:12,719
next thing um

3253
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,400
that's that's going to give us a

3254
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:16,639
platform to potentially launch off of

3255
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:18,159
for for either side you know or

3256
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:20,480
worldwide to be honest depending on what

3257
01:49:23,750 --> 01:49:21,040
has an

3258
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:23,760
or not in that report lets us go forward

3259
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,159
as an

3260
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:25,920
extension as a report that then

3261
01:49:29,669 --> 01:49:27,520
announces a further report

3262
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,679
as a report that potentially comes out

3263
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:31,599
and it's a little bit of a

3264
01:49:36,950 --> 01:49:34,960
you know what i say condom report um

3265
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:36,960
that basically just kills it dead again

3266
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,239
and tries to put it back in the box

3267
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:40,560
which i doubt but that that could happen

3268
01:49:43,830 --> 01:49:42,159
so for me it's let's wait and see what

3269
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:43,840
happens with that the

3270
01:49:47,830 --> 01:49:46,400
the big phone home is fantastic and for

3271
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:47,840
for efforts like that

3272
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:49,040
what we're not going to get because

3273
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:50,560
let's be honest if the new york times

3274
01:49:53,589 --> 01:49:52,000
coming out and announcing the us

3275
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,599
government had a ufo program

3276
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:56,400
and has a ufo program doesn't get the

3277
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:57,040
general

3278
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:59,599
media on side the big phone home won't

3279
01:50:01,990 --> 01:50:00,080
do that

3280
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:02,000
what it will do though is allow us to

3281
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:04,080
pick up more people to get involved in

3282
01:50:07,189 --> 01:50:04,880
the topic

3283
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:07,199
if 50 more people get involved that's 50

3284
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:08,239
more people

3285
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,639
buying books downloading dave's magazine

3286
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:12,560
that buying out of limits magazine

3287
01:50:16,950 --> 01:50:14,560
downloading podcasts checking out

3288
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:16,960
unidentified celebrity review

3289
01:50:20,149 --> 01:50:18,560
tuning into your shows ryan you know

3290
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,159
watching mysteries decoded

3291
01:50:24,070 --> 01:50:22,000
it just gets more people involved that

3292
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:24,080
where and the topic in the subject

3293
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:27,440
now that don't have those biases

3294
01:50:31,669 --> 01:50:29,760
that some of and we talked about and i

3295
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:31,679
love guys like philip mantle and whatnot

3296
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:32,400
but

3297
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:34,560
there there's a point and we've talked

3298
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:36,000
about this on i think the round tables

3299
01:50:40,149 --> 01:50:37,360
with dave and dan before that

3300
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:40,159
ufology forked off and i said [\h__\h] sorry

3301
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:41,920
in a scottish accent just before anyone

3302
01:50:44,950 --> 01:50:42,560
worries

3303
01:50:46,310 --> 01:50:44,960
um there was a change and i think

3304
01:50:48,709 --> 01:50:46,320
ufology changed

3305
01:50:49,910 --> 01:50:48,719
that it's no longer the same we're not

3306
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:49,920
talking about roswell

3307
01:50:53,350 --> 01:50:51,599
and we're not always talking about betty

3308
01:50:54,629 --> 01:50:53,360
and bernie hill calvin parker travis

3309
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:54,639
walton these things all

3310
01:51:01,189 --> 01:50:58,080
absolutely have their place but in 2017

3311
01:51:01,830 --> 01:51:01,199
things changed in december 2017 and we

3312
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:01,840
have no

3313
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:04,639
modern cases we have a new way to go but

3314
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:06,320
personally this is just my belief in

3315
01:51:09,510 --> 01:51:07,360
three years

3316
01:51:12,149 --> 01:51:09,520
we have had more progress in this topic

3317
01:51:13,910 --> 01:51:12,159
than we managed in the previous 75.

3318
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:13,920
i think what we're doing now is the way

3319
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,599
forward people don't like that because

3320
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,520
at the moment the government's involved

3321
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:19,440
we have former under secretary of

3322
01:51:23,189 --> 01:51:21,280
defense chris merlin involved

3323
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:23,199
you've got steve justice luella zondo

3324
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,560
and all these other people that they

3325
01:51:29,750 --> 01:51:26,480
don't want to be involved in

3326
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:29,760
their topic in their subject but this is

3327
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,119
the worldwide phenomenon

3328
01:51:35,270 --> 01:51:33,520
as as the saying goes so we need

3329
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:35,280
everyone to be involved in it and a lot

3330
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:36,719
of people have to let go of their own

3331
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,679
little bubble

3332
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:40,080
um to kind of push things forward so if

3333
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:41,679
we can get little pockets of people more

3334
01:51:45,750 --> 01:51:42,639
and more involved

3335
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,760
if just one person takes up uap media's

3336
01:51:48,470 --> 01:51:46,639
website

3337
01:51:50,629 --> 01:51:48,480
and downloads that form and sends it off

3338
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:50,639
to someone that's a success

3339
01:51:54,070 --> 01:51:52,239
yeah if that was all i ever achieved

3340
01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:54,080
that would be a success

3341
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:57,119
absolutely man and um you know i'll just

3342
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:58,960
add to that um

3343
01:52:01,990 --> 01:52:01,599
it seems that there's there's the old

3344
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,000
guard

3345
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,639
of ufology these people who i respect

3346
01:52:07,669 --> 01:52:05,760
immensely

3347
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:07,679
and have put so much time and effort

3348
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:08,960
throughout the decades

3349
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:12,000
of um you know recording reports and

3350
01:52:15,750 --> 01:52:13,199
getting everything

3351
01:52:17,510 --> 01:52:15,760
going and then you know then the next

3352
01:52:19,990 --> 01:52:17,520
card comes and builds off

3353
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:20,000
of their work and so on and so on and i

3354
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:21,920
think what we've seen in the past few

3355
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:22,719
years

3356
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:25,840
is uh once that new york times article

3357
01:52:30,070 --> 01:52:26,560
hit

3358
01:52:32,070 --> 01:52:30,080
um and ufo twitter really started

3359
01:52:33,750 --> 01:52:32,080
um you started seeing people you've

3360
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:33,760
never seen before getting involved in

3361
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:34,800
this topic

3362
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:36,000
and having their own thoughts and

3363
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:38,000
opinions and i think a lot of the

3364
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:39,840
the people who've been doing this for

3365
01:52:44,149 --> 01:52:42,080
years they felt a little guarded like

3366
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:44,159
who are you where are you coming out all

3367
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:45,119
of a sudden with

3368
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:47,119
with all this and this and that and i

3369
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:48,800
think there was kind of um

3370
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,520
attention there and you would have these

3371
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:53,679
these people who were on the older side

3372
01:52:58,310 --> 01:52:54,159
of

3373
01:53:01,510 --> 01:52:58,320
going to trust this guy from

3374
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:01,520
intelligence or this guy from so and so

3375
01:53:06,070 --> 01:53:03,599
because they burned us so much in the

3376
01:53:07,510 --> 01:53:06,080
past and i completely understand that

3377
01:53:10,870 --> 01:53:07,520
what i think has changed

3378
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:10,880
is um i i don't see that i don't see

3379
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,639
that with chris melon i don't see that

3380
01:53:15,910 --> 01:53:14,400
with lou elizondo that they're out to

3381
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,920
disinform the public

3382
01:53:19,990 --> 01:53:17,679
kind of like a rick dodie or something

3383
01:53:21,030 --> 01:53:20,000
would do um i honestly think these are

3384
01:53:24,629 --> 01:53:21,040
individuals

3385
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:24,639
who see see an opportunity

3386
01:53:27,990 --> 01:53:26,639
you know that they have some knowledge

3387
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:28,000
of what is going on

3388
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,599
and that that should be shared with the

3389
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:31,920
public so let's embrace that

3390
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:33,599
and let's get younger people involved

3391
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:35,599
instead of telling them they're idiots

3392
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:37,679
because they don't know what roswell was

3393
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:40,480
or or what rendelsham was um

3394
01:53:44,470 --> 01:53:42,159
let's embrace that i mean i'm talking to

3395
01:53:46,390 --> 01:53:44,480
a a a high schooler

3396
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:46,400
this week um who reached out to me and

3397
01:53:49,910 --> 01:53:47,760
said i'm doing a paper

3398
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,920
about ufos in school and i would love to

3399
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,880
interview you

3400
01:53:55,109 --> 01:53:53,199
and again those are moments that like

3401
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:55,119
literally make me emotional if i'm not

3402
01:53:58,390 --> 01:53:55,840
already

3403
01:53:59,750 --> 01:53:58,400
being a person in theater um that almost

3404
01:54:01,270 --> 01:53:59,760
brought a tear to my eye that like

3405
01:54:03,830 --> 01:54:01,280
someone in high school

3406
01:54:05,350 --> 01:54:03,840
is gonna be writing a paper about ufos

3407
01:54:06,390 --> 01:54:05,360
because of what you've done and you've

3408
01:54:08,470 --> 01:54:06,400
done and you've done

3409
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:08,480
and so many people have been doing for

3410
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:10,080
these past few years of getting this

3411
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:10,560
topic

3412
01:54:14,390 --> 01:54:13,199
out there and it's reaching people in

3413
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:14,400
other nations

3414
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,760
in um in in high school and that's

3415
01:54:21,430 --> 01:54:19,440
incredible because it's not something

3416
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:21,440
that we're used to seeing in this field

3417
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:24,880
a field of you know people 50 and above

3418
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:27,520
you know for so long um so i think it's

3419
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:28,239
exciting

3420
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:29,920
um everything that's going on and you

3421
01:54:33,910 --> 01:54:32,000
have tech savvy people

3422
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:33,920
who can make that advocacy something

3423
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:35,199
truly powerful

3424
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:38,080
on the internet as well so um again i've

3425
01:54:41,589 --> 01:54:39,360
talked too much

3426
01:54:43,669 --> 01:54:41,599
anyone else have anything to add to uh

3427
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:43,679
what should we do in 2021 when it comes

3428
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:44,960
to uap

3429
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:46,639
yeah i was just going to say you know

3430
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:49,760
the reason that we launched the website

3431
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:51,520
when we did with very little content on

3432
01:54:56,390 --> 01:54:54,080
there at the moment is because

3433
01:54:57,990 --> 01:54:56,400
we had an interview with louis london

3434
01:55:00,310 --> 01:54:58,000
and we wanted to get that out

3435
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,320
and promote that on ufo twitter because

3436
01:55:03,350 --> 01:55:01,679
we knew that

3437
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:03,360
you know europe twitter is the right

3438
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,000
audience for that interview

3439
01:55:10,470 --> 01:55:09,119
and i think you know adam conducted it

3440
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:10,480
he got in touch with lou

3441
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:15,760
and it's kind of got people aware of us

3442
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:17,679
but over the next you know a few weeks

3443
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:18,880
and few months there's going to be a lot

3444
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:20,159
more content going up there's going to

3445
01:55:22,229 --> 01:55:21,599
be a lot more articles what we haven't

3446
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:22,239
done yet

3447
01:55:28,390 --> 01:55:26,400
is done a big hit on the uk press people

3448
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:28,400
because you know we want to get more

3449
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:29,440
content out there

3450
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,840
up there you know we're putting the

3451
01:55:34,629 --> 01:55:33,520
videos which are going to be on the end

3452
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:34,639
uap secrecy g

3453
01:55:37,830 --> 01:55:35,920
drive we're going to put some of those

3454
01:55:39,430 --> 01:55:37,840
up so people

3455
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:39,440
you know can just watch them and then

3456
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:41,520
they can watch them in context

3457
01:55:45,430 --> 01:55:44,000
there's going to be you know adam's

3458
01:55:47,510 --> 01:55:45,440
writing an article at the moment

3459
01:55:49,030 --> 01:55:47,520
on the five pillars which lou mentioned

3460
01:55:53,589 --> 01:55:49,040
in andy's interview

3461
01:55:55,270 --> 01:55:53,599
earlier this week um and that's kind of

3462
01:55:56,709 --> 01:55:55,280
gonna form part of our strategy going

3463
01:56:00,149 --> 01:55:56,719
forward as well

3464
01:56:01,669 --> 01:56:00,159
um there's gonna be

3465
01:56:03,430 --> 01:56:01,679
you know articles we're going to do like

3466
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:03,440
timelines

3467
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:06,159
um so like the main events from ufology

3468
01:56:09,910 --> 01:56:07,119
over the years

3469
01:56:11,990 --> 01:56:09,920
so people can just go you know to people

3470
01:56:13,910 --> 01:56:12,000
who haven't encountered ufology before

3471
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,920
it's somewhere where they can see oh

3472
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:15,199
this happened in

3473
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:20,320
1952

3474
01:56:23,669 --> 01:56:22,080
you know those kind of things and if the

3475
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,679
press want to get in touch with us

3476
01:56:27,430 --> 01:56:25,599
and they want an article from people who

3477
01:56:28,950 --> 01:56:27,440
know about this stuff rather than

3478
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:28,960
scrabbling around and trying to do it

3479
01:56:34,629 --> 01:56:31,360
themselves and coming across

3480
01:56:35,990 --> 01:56:34,639
as unknowledgeable or incorrect

3481
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:36,000
you know delivering incorrect

3482
01:56:41,030 --> 01:56:37,840
information as they did

3483
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:41,040
when reporting on black faults cia files

3484
01:56:46,390 --> 01:56:43,760
story the other week right which i know

3485
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:46,400
john greenwood addressed himself

3486
01:56:50,070 --> 01:56:49,360
um you know we want to be the place

3487
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:50,080
where

3488
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,480
you know the uk press or you know even

3489
01:56:55,589 --> 01:56:54,400
academic institutions or public

3490
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:55,599
organizations

3491
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:58,239
come to to get the information that they

3492
01:57:00,870 --> 01:56:59,760
want to disseminate to other people

3493
01:57:02,070 --> 01:57:00,880
themselves

3494
01:57:03,510 --> 01:57:02,080
you know if they want us to write

3495
01:57:05,510 --> 01:57:03,520
articles we'll write articles for them

3496
01:57:07,030 --> 01:57:05,520
you know it's not going to be a problem

3497
01:57:10,149 --> 01:57:07,040
you know but we're not there to preach

3498
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:10,159
we're there to offer assistance which i

3499
01:57:14,310 --> 01:57:12,239
think is going to be that going forward

3500
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,320
exactly and they need it man and it's

3501
01:57:16,709 --> 01:57:16,159
the same here in the united states like

3502
01:57:19,510 --> 01:57:16,719
you see

3503
01:57:21,669 --> 01:57:19,520
one wrong thing misquoted like cia

3504
01:57:23,109 --> 01:57:21,679
releases all their ufo files

3505
01:57:25,510 --> 01:57:23,119
and that's what they pick up and

3506
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:25,520
regurgitate and it's wrong

3507
01:57:29,830 --> 01:57:28,000
it's wrong because it's not accurate and

3508
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:29,840
then you have someone like greenwaldt

3509
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:32,639
who put in decades of work on this being

3510
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:33,119
like

3511
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:37,280
role in all that

3512
01:57:43,270 --> 01:57:40,560
and i spent on you know countless hours

3513
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,280
putting all these things online so yeah

3514
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:46,159
i i think it's great because i think

3515
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:47,440
we live in a world now where the

3516
01:57:51,589 --> 01:57:49,119
mainstream media just recycles

3517
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:51,599
everything and steals from everyone else

3518
01:57:55,350 --> 01:57:54,400
and it's unfortunate and i think um you

3519
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:55,360
know

3520
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:57,199
they just want the story out as quick as

3521
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:58,480
possible so

3522
01:58:01,910 --> 01:58:00,080
if they have an outlet like what you

3523
01:58:03,750 --> 01:58:01,920
guys are doing um they can

3524
01:58:05,030 --> 01:58:03,760
go to it and be like all right cool we

3525
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:05,040
got it let's put it here

3526
01:58:08,790 --> 01:58:08,000
um i think that's awesome so and getting

3527
01:58:11,189 --> 01:58:08,800
the right

3528
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:11,199
information out there too is important

3529
01:58:14,870 --> 01:58:12,960
so i think that's really cool you guys

3530
01:58:17,030 --> 01:58:14,880
are putting together like a timeline

3531
01:58:18,790 --> 01:58:17,040
because i mean there's gonna be people

3532
01:58:20,390 --> 01:58:18,800
who listen or watch this

3533
01:58:22,950 --> 01:58:20,400
episode and they're gonna hear names

3534
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:22,960
they've never heard before dates that um

3535
01:58:27,189 --> 01:58:25,440
they don't care about and it's a lot

3536
01:58:30,149 --> 01:58:27,199
it's a lot for people to handle who

3537
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:30,159
aren't embedded in this topic like the

3538
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:31,520
the five of us are

3539
01:58:35,830 --> 01:58:34,480
um so if it's accessible i think that's

3540
01:58:38,310 --> 01:58:35,840
what's most important

3541
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,320
um so yeah i can't wait to see

3542
01:58:43,270 --> 01:58:40,159
everything you guys got going on there

3543
01:58:46,790 --> 01:58:43,280
but last question of the night

3544
01:58:49,990 --> 01:58:46,800
and i want your honest opinions on this

3545
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:50,000
one division we gotta talk about it

3546
01:58:53,830 --> 01:58:51,360
what do you guys think about wand

3547
01:58:55,189 --> 01:58:53,840
division dan i see you

3548
01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:55,199
you seem like you're chomping at the bit

3549
01:59:01,350 --> 01:58:58,320
man i i mean ginoma's marvel lid

3550
01:59:04,130 --> 01:59:01,360
um so i could

3551
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:04,140
waste another two hours theorizing um

3552
01:59:07,990 --> 01:59:05,679
[Music]

3553
01:59:09,830 --> 01:59:08,000
but it's an amazing show it's refreshing

3554
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:09,840
it's something different i think

3555
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:12,880
having have any euro not doing anything

3556
01:59:16,709 --> 01:59:13,599
at all

3557
01:59:18,709 --> 01:59:16,719
um has done wonders for marvel um and

3558
01:59:20,950 --> 01:59:18,719
i'm super super super excited to see

3559
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:20,960
where it's gonna go

3560
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:24,000
cool anyone else want to chime in well

3561
01:59:26,709 --> 01:59:24,400
yeah

3562
01:59:28,390 --> 01:59:26,719
i mean me and dan were talking about it

3563
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:28,400
on friday i think after you watch the

3564
01:59:31,589 --> 01:59:29,599
episode

3565
01:59:33,350 --> 01:59:31,599
um we have considered doing like that

3566
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,360
marvel podcast does it spin off from

3567
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:34,719
that ufo podcast

3568
01:59:41,990 --> 01:59:39,910
i see that grin on andy's face he's like

3569
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:42,000
you

3570
01:59:47,910 --> 01:59:45,280
he's gonna go copyright it right now yes

3571
01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:47,920
but yeah like dan said it is refreshing

3572
01:59:50,470 --> 01:59:49,520
you know to see them try something

3573
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:50,480
different that

3574
01:59:56,830 --> 01:59:53,679
you know ultimately is going to

3575
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:56,840
end up pushing it in a brand new

3576
02:00:00,390 --> 01:59:58,080
direction

3577
02:00:01,750 --> 02:00:00,400
is kind of going to get a new audience

3578
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:01,760
as well

3579
02:00:06,070 --> 02:00:04,800
yep same with mythology yeah all these

3580
02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:06,080
stories are just going to come together

3581
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:07,920
and they're going to come to a head in

3582
02:00:10,950 --> 02:00:09,440
once it's spider-man 3 and doctor

3583
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:10,960
strange 2 and you know

3584
02:00:15,109 --> 02:00:12,560
then we're going to get the start of

3585
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:15,119
phase six and a half or whatever it is

3586
02:00:22,790 --> 02:00:15,840
now

3587
02:00:23,750 --> 02:00:22,800
no i don't watch it no i i no i do i do

3588
02:00:30,950 --> 02:00:23,760
um

3589
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:30,960
when i went on reddit to see

3590
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:32,560
people talk about my interview with lou

3591
02:00:38,310 --> 02:00:34,000
before it had been uploaded

3592
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,320
um so yeah everyone do that

3593
02:00:41,990 --> 02:00:40,400
it was my first little foreign i thought

3594
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:42,000
it was hilarious i was texting dan and

3595
02:00:45,270 --> 02:00:42,880
dave about it

3596
02:00:46,470 --> 02:00:45,280
um no i got panned in the run-up so i

3597
02:00:49,030 --> 02:00:46,480
was really wary

3598
02:00:50,709 --> 02:00:49,040
and i think it only took five minutes of

3599
02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:50,719
the first episode and i was intrigued

3600
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:51,280
but then

3601
02:00:55,430 --> 02:00:52,880
in the last scene in the first episode i

3602
02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:55,440
was hooked um i'm up to date with it now

3603
02:00:59,030 --> 02:00:57,599
i am not like that dan and dave i think

3604
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:59,040
you know a lot more of the background

3605
02:01:02,950 --> 02:01:01,199
than i maybe would i watch i've seen all

3606
02:01:03,510 --> 02:01:02,960
the marvel movies i've started watching

3607
02:01:04,950 --> 02:01:03,520
this

3608
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:04,960
i don't know about the history and the

3609
02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:07,040
comics and potential arcs they might be

3610
02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:08,159
borrowing from

3611
02:01:12,870 --> 02:01:11,199
so i like when dan put something up on

3612
02:01:14,229 --> 02:01:12,880
on twitter about it and then he's

3613
02:01:15,669 --> 02:01:14,239
obviously got more of a knowledge where

3614
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:15,679
they can shape people's answers and

3615
02:01:18,629 --> 02:01:16,480
responses

3616
02:01:19,750 --> 02:01:18,639
but what what about and that that really

3617
02:01:22,310 --> 02:01:19,760
i like that it's it's

3618
02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:22,320
amazing piece of television very um very

3619
02:01:26,709 --> 02:01:24,400
original as well so

3620
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,719
yeah yeah i think we need it right now

3621
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:28,800
for sure something to make us think

3622
02:01:33,669 --> 02:01:31,599
and i think they're doing that um well i

3623
02:01:36,790 --> 02:01:33,679
guess kind of wrapping things up guys

3624
02:01:39,510 --> 02:01:36,800
um you know we talked about uap media uk

3625
02:01:40,709 --> 02:01:39,520
at length um so everyone please go check

3626
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:40,719
out the website

3627
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:43,119
um but i want to know what you guys are

3628
02:01:46,550 --> 02:01:43,840
up to

3629
02:01:48,790 --> 02:01:46,560
individually so um this is your time to

3630
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:48,800
shine dave let's start with you my man

3631
02:01:52,390 --> 02:01:50,880
um tell us what you got going on over at

3632
02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:52,400
shadow magazine

3633
02:01:55,990 --> 02:01:54,960
and everything else you're up to brother

3634
02:01:58,950 --> 02:01:56,000
okay well

3635
02:02:01,430 --> 02:01:58,960
the next issue i am currently working on

3636
02:02:03,589 --> 02:02:01,440
um i have two more interviews to do

3637
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:03,599
in the next week uh one's with ryan

3638
02:02:07,189 --> 02:02:04,480
bledsoe

3639
02:02:09,109 --> 02:02:07,199
and the other is with steve mcdaniel and

3640
02:02:10,709 --> 02:02:09,119
richard hoff of sky hub

3641
02:02:12,550 --> 02:02:10,719
um there's going to be a big skyhub

3642
02:02:14,310 --> 02:02:12,560
feature which will include jerry mcgowan

3643
02:02:18,870 --> 02:02:14,320
and chris cogsworth as well who

3644
02:02:21,189 --> 02:02:18,880
um you know chris comsworth kind of

3645
02:02:23,109 --> 02:02:21,199
he's more the software side of skyhub so

3646
02:02:25,430 --> 02:02:23,119
it was really good to talk to him

3647
02:02:26,470 --> 02:02:25,440
um we got there's an interview with

3648
02:02:28,790 --> 02:02:26,480
chris bledsoe

3649
02:02:30,310 --> 02:02:28,800
and nick cook as i've already mentioned

3650
02:02:32,709 --> 02:02:30,320
i mean moving forward

3651
02:02:34,790 --> 02:02:32,719
i'm currently working on getting a guest

3652
02:02:38,149 --> 02:02:34,800
editor for a future issue

3653
02:02:40,870 --> 02:02:38,159
which is going to be very exciting

3654
02:02:41,830 --> 02:02:40,880
um and that is being kept under wraps

3655
02:02:44,149 --> 02:02:41,840
until i've

3656
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:44,159
actually confirmed it but yeah that

3657
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:45,280
that's going to be great if

3658
02:02:49,109 --> 02:02:46,880
if that comes off that's going to be

3659
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:49,119
absolutely fantastic for the whole ufo

3660
02:02:54,149 --> 02:02:50,880
community i think

3661
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:54,159
um and yeah i'm trying to arrange well

3662
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,760
i'm in the process of arranging a big

3663
02:02:58,470 --> 02:02:57,440
interview with the guys behind the

3664
02:03:01,990 --> 02:02:58,480
untitled

3665
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:02,000
mcgowan

3666
02:03:08,470 --> 02:03:05,360
um justin tandy uh

3667
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:08,480
jake mann and sean cahill as well

3668
02:03:12,149 --> 02:03:10,159
gonna try and get them all together and

3669
02:03:14,390 --> 02:03:12,159
like you know just talk about the

3670
02:03:15,030 --> 02:03:14,400
projects before it actually hits our

3671
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:15,040
screens

3672
02:03:18,149 --> 02:03:17,360
so yeah there's a few good things in the

3673
02:03:19,990 --> 02:03:18,159
offing

3674
02:03:21,350 --> 02:03:20,000
definitely awesome brother and what's

3675
02:03:23,229 --> 02:03:21,360
the website again if you don't mind

3676
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:23,239
sharing

3677
02:03:28,149 --> 02:03:25,760
shadowsmagazine.com.uk all issues

3678
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:28,159
can be downloaded for free in pdf format

3679
02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:29,199
so

3680
02:03:33,669 --> 02:03:31,679
perfect you don't just draw on over

3681
02:03:36,709 --> 02:03:33,679
there after this if you want

3682
02:03:38,310 --> 02:03:36,719
thanks my man um dan let's move to you

3683
02:03:41,189 --> 02:03:38,320
my man you've got a store

3684
02:03:41,750 --> 02:03:41,199
tell us all about it and um yeah give us

3685
02:03:47,109 --> 02:03:41,760
the

3686
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:47,119
yeah so i i have a still where i put up

3687
02:03:51,589 --> 02:03:48,239
bits of i guess

3688
02:03:53,589 --> 02:03:51,599
ufo inspired uh um it was something i

3689
02:03:55,350 --> 02:03:53,599
started as a bit of a lockdown project

3690
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:55,360
because i've always loved doing it i've

3691
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:56,880
just never shared it so

3692
02:04:00,229 --> 02:03:59,040
i thought maybe i should and it went

3693
02:04:01,750 --> 02:04:00,239
pretty well because everyone's really

3694
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:01,760
lovely and

3695
02:04:05,750 --> 02:04:04,800
yeah um it also you know it's really to

3696
02:04:07,510 --> 02:04:05,760
help the cause

3697
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:07,520
to you know if someone's out there

3698
02:04:10,550 --> 02:04:08,960
wearing a t-shirt with

3699
02:04:12,069 --> 02:04:10,560
these things on or they've got them on

3700
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:12,079
their cars maybe they'll start a

3701
02:04:16,709 --> 02:04:13,040
conversation

3702
02:04:20,229 --> 02:04:16,719
and that's what this is about um

3703
02:04:20,790 --> 02:04:20,239
currently i'm working on turning the art

3704
02:04:23,510 --> 02:04:20,800
i did

3705
02:04:24,149 --> 02:04:23,520
for jeremy mcgowan and the entire uap

3706
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:24,159
guys

3707
02:04:28,709 --> 02:04:26,639
um into a patch like the one you see

3708
02:04:31,830 --> 02:04:28,719
there on your screens on the left

3709
02:04:34,149 --> 02:04:31,840
um so i'm yeah today literally i was

3710
02:04:35,430 --> 02:04:34,159
looking at final designs for it so they

3711
02:04:36,950 --> 02:04:35,440
they should be with me and i should be

3712
02:04:37,669 --> 02:04:36,960
sharing those with people in the next

3713
02:04:39,189 --> 02:04:37,679
few weeks

3714
02:04:41,669 --> 02:04:39,199
and uh yeah you'll be able to get your

3715
02:04:44,470 --> 02:04:41,679
own then awesome my man

3716
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:44,480
and andy let's finish with you my man

3717
02:04:50,149 --> 02:04:46,880
what do you got going on at that ufo

3718
02:04:50,950 --> 02:04:50,159
podcast if i can steal 10 seconds though

3719
02:04:53,270 --> 02:04:50,960
just to say

3720
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:53,280
genuinely dan please check out his store

3721
02:04:56,069 --> 02:04:54,480
because some of his artwork

3722
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:56,079
all of it's incredible in that post that

3723
02:04:59,109 --> 02:04:57,520
i've got in the background

3724
02:05:01,430 --> 02:04:59,119
is something i've bought myself from

3725
02:05:03,030 --> 02:05:01,440
from dan's store um it puts in so much

3726
02:05:04,390 --> 02:05:03,040
effort and it comes from a genuinely

3727
02:05:06,629 --> 02:05:04,400
good place as well

3728
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:06,639
and i don't think anyone in the subject

3729
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:08,800
of ufology puts in the work that dave

3730
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:09,280
does

3731
02:05:14,229 --> 02:05:12,560
on his own to that magazine um it's

3732
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:14,239
it's ridiculous you you genuinely

3733
02:05:17,990 --> 02:05:15,920
wouldn't believe he does that himself

3734
02:05:19,589 --> 02:05:18,000
and have a family and work and

3735
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:19,599
everything so that that deserves to be

3736
02:05:23,750 --> 02:05:20,639
downloaded and

3737
02:05:24,550 --> 02:05:23,760
unread uh people um so yeah uh my

3738
02:05:27,830 --> 02:05:24,560
podcast

3739
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:27,840
uh as was on there so um

3740
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,440
these guys help me out dan helps me out

3741
02:05:33,990 --> 02:05:31,119
massively with the technical side of it

3742
02:05:35,589 --> 02:05:34,000
which i i bug kim on a regular basis to

3743
02:05:37,270 --> 02:05:35,599
to learn more and more so i can take

3744
02:05:39,510 --> 02:05:37,280
some of the strum um

3745
02:05:41,189 --> 02:05:39,520
interviews i've got coming up uh danny

3746
02:05:42,790 --> 02:05:41,199
silva i've just recorded with today

3747
02:05:43,669 --> 02:05:42,800
that's available on the patreon early

3748
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:43,679
access

3749
02:05:46,950 --> 02:05:45,599
patreon.com forward slash that ufo

3750
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,960
podcast um

3751
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:48,639
in a couple of weeks i've got ryan

3752
02:05:52,229 --> 02:05:50,639
bledsoe uh david marlar

3753
02:05:54,149 --> 02:05:52,239
mark o'connell i think's just been on

3754
02:05:55,109 --> 02:05:54,159
your podcast as well ryan uh mark

3755
02:05:58,149 --> 02:05:55,119
o'connell

3756
02:05:59,910 --> 02:05:58,159
um and in the coming months i

3757
02:06:02,149 --> 02:05:59,920
i'm just waiting to confirm but i should

3758
02:06:04,390 --> 02:06:02,159
have brandon fugo and george knapp

3759
02:06:05,270 --> 02:06:04,400
and both coming on in the near future as

3760
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:05,280
well so

3761
02:06:08,470 --> 02:06:06,719
very much looking forward to speaking

3762
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,480
with them

3763
02:06:12,069 --> 02:06:10,400
awesome yeah you got some good ones

3764
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:12,079
coming up brother and i know a lot of

3765
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:12,800
people

3766
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:15,679
they they uh they watch your show and my

3767
02:06:17,990 --> 02:06:16,320
show

3768
02:06:19,669 --> 02:06:18,000
and they're like oh they're like it's

3769
02:06:22,069 --> 02:06:19,679
like a race to see who get

3770
02:06:24,390 --> 02:06:22,079
guests first but i want to tell people

3771
02:06:26,470 --> 02:06:24,400
it's that's not how it goes like we

3772
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:26,480
we have the same press people we deal

3773
02:06:29,030 --> 02:06:27,599
with um

3774
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:29,040
you know whatever's kind of in the

3775
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,719
zeitgeist we're both kind of

3776
02:06:34,310 --> 02:06:32,880
always you know looking for what what

3777
02:06:36,870 --> 02:06:34,320
comes next so um

3778
02:06:37,990 --> 02:06:36,880
if anything i love that we have kind of

3779
02:06:40,470 --> 02:06:38,000
that friendly

3780
02:06:41,189 --> 02:06:40,480
competitive competitive nature you know

3781
02:06:43,109 --> 02:06:41,199
of like

3782
02:06:44,950 --> 02:06:43,119
okay he's gonna interview him about this

3783
02:06:45,589 --> 02:06:44,960
i'll interview him about that or he or

3784
02:06:47,109 --> 02:06:45,599
she

3785
02:06:49,270 --> 02:06:47,119
so i think that's what's really cool

3786
02:06:50,229 --> 02:06:49,280
about what you're doing as well i think

3787
02:06:53,750 --> 02:06:50,239
there's um

3788
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,760
a lot to be said for uh ufo podcasting

3789
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:55,520
and those out there who are doing it

3790
02:07:00,149 --> 02:06:57,360
and we all kind of just do our own thing

3791
02:07:02,790 --> 02:07:00,159
and um and share information i know

3792
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:02,800
when i was interviewing lou i wanted to

3793
02:07:05,030 --> 02:07:04,159
know what you were going to talk about

3794
02:07:06,550 --> 02:07:05,040
so i wouldn't

3795
02:07:08,390 --> 02:07:06,560
you know we wouldn't do that sort of

3796
02:07:10,550 --> 02:07:08,400
thing so yeah i think that's what's

3797
02:07:11,830 --> 02:07:10,560
really cool is instead of um

3798
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:11,840
you know working against each other

3799
02:07:15,750 --> 02:07:14,400
we're all working together for sure

3800
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:15,760
you've been great with me as well ryan

3801
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,440
from from very early on you've you've

3802
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:19,119
helped me out with a lot of advice and

3803
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,920
stuff and

3804
02:07:23,589 --> 02:07:21,360
and you were really good when that

3805
02:07:25,270 --> 02:07:23,599
podcast a baby in terms of ufo podcast

3806
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,280
still it's less than a year old but

3807
02:07:28,629 --> 02:07:27,280
you you messaged me twice in a couple of

3808
02:07:30,470 --> 02:07:28,639
weeks early on when

3809
02:07:31,990 --> 02:07:30,480
i had guests that you had coming up that

3810
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:32,000
i didn't know you hadn't even announced

3811
02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:32,400
them

3812
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:35,040
to say i'm honestly not copying you but

3813
02:07:38,550 --> 02:07:36,960
i have this guest picture as well

3814
02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:38,560
and then since then the same things

3815
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:40,079
happened with me where like mark

3816
02:07:43,030 --> 02:07:41,440
o'connell i arranged and then a week

3817
02:07:45,270 --> 02:07:43,040
later i saw you had them on so

3818
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:45,280
as just but we've got different styles

3819
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:46,880
and i love listening to yours it helps

3820
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:47,199
me

3821
02:07:56,229 --> 02:07:54,000
for

3822
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:56,239
research so it's the community can

3823
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:57,599
really help each other and everyone

3824
02:08:00,870 --> 02:07:58,400
should

3825
02:08:02,229 --> 02:08:00,880
borrow and you know ask everyone for

3826
02:08:03,750 --> 02:08:02,239
advice but make your own decisions and

3827
02:08:05,109 --> 02:08:03,760
make up your own mind so yeah it

3828
02:08:06,709 --> 02:08:05,119
definitely works for me

3829
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,719
yeah it's why i don't do a podcast

3830
02:08:11,189 --> 02:08:08,880
because i can't keep up with everyone

3831
02:08:11,990 --> 02:08:11,199
i know there's too much there's too much

3832
02:08:14,870 --> 02:08:12,000
but no man

3833
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:14,880
i think you touched on it like um this

3834
02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:15,679
community

3835
02:08:20,950 --> 02:08:18,800
is is big and it's small and

3836
02:08:22,310 --> 02:08:20,960
i think if we just build each other up

3837
02:08:22,950 --> 02:08:22,320
and work together that's when we're

3838
02:08:24,709 --> 02:08:22,960
truly

3839
02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:24,719
going to accomplish things and that's no

3840
02:08:29,109 --> 02:08:26,560
more prevalent than what you guys are

3841
02:08:31,750 --> 02:08:29,119
putting together with uap media uk

3842
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:31,760
and your individual projects as well so

3843
02:08:34,069 --> 02:08:32,320
um

3844
02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:34,079
i have to thank you guys for taking the

3845
02:08:38,470 --> 02:08:35,599
time to do this tonight

3846
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,480
um for allowing us a glimpse into uh

3847
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:40,400
your personal thoughts and beliefs on

3848
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:41,280
all this

3849
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:43,280
and uh i have no doubt that with you

3850
02:08:46,950 --> 02:08:45,199
guys doing what you're doing

3851
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:46,960
and so many other awesome people out

3852
02:08:51,350 --> 02:08:48,560
there in ufo twitter

3853
02:08:52,950 --> 02:08:51,360
and um and not on twitter you know

3854
02:08:55,510 --> 02:08:52,960
everyone has a part in it

3855
02:08:56,550 --> 02:08:55,520
and um thank you thank you for allowing

3856
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:56,560
us a glimpse into

3857
02:09:00,470 --> 02:08:58,560
all of your lives tonight and thank you

3858
02:09:02,629 --> 02:09:00,480
for coming on somewhere in the skies

3859
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:02,639
all three of you for the very first time

3860
02:09:21,690 --> 02:09:04,239
so thank you

3861
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:42,510
[Music]